RE: What's the
[quote]ORIGINAL: dreadnaut . . . the old outside loop from the bottom. . . . gave me fits because they always came out more like corkscrews than loops, until I started putting a little blip of opposite rudder when rolling to inverted. I still practice this maneuver as warm up. [/quote] That's really too funny 'cuz this week I was fortunate enough to put in 5 straight days of practice, and I was complaining on Tuesday to my buddy C. Moon that my outside loop (from the top in this case) keeps looking like a corkscrew, and he asked: "You're using left rudder as you come around the bottom, right?" and I was like: "huhhh?" and then the next day I tapped left rudder as I was coming around the bottom and pushing back up and son of a gun if it didn't look like a loop instead of a corkscrew! Guess some things never change for the beginners [:)] I should mention that my rolls are much improved this week, and I even found time to practice some 4 pointers and didn't crash. Question is can I learn to put all the pieces together before next years Nats. [:D] Thanks again far all the fantastic input! JP
Posted on: 11/20/2009 5:08 PM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "Pattern Flying"
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RE: Onas by CA Models
I do not need another plane . . . I do not need another plane . . . I do not need another plane . . . Darn those boys at CA; they sure know how to make a beautiful airframe! JP
Posted on: 11/20/2009 6:36 AM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "Electric Pattern Aircraft"
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RE: Why such a big variation in watts on my Integral?
Ha HAH!! What a master you are! You got my lie even before I knew I was lying [sm=omg_smile.gif] The first graph is a TP Pro Lite V2 5300 pack. Here's the Rhino graph and they DO hold their voltage much better . . . Ahh master, I can only hope to gain one tenth your wisdom someday [:)] Question: Is the prop spinning slower on average with the True RC packs? Can I check the RPM without having to buy one of those silly photometric or magnet gizmos? And, I agree it will be more interesting (atleast for me [8|] ) after I get a second and third set of data on the same setup and sequence. Ultimately I'm just trying to make myself more consistent and maximize my practice times by being efficient. Obviously if I can fly the sequence with a little less power on the good batteries then maybe I can squeeze out an extra minute of time. JP
Posted on: 11/19/2009 7:19 PM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "Electric Pattern Aircraft"
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RE: Delro E-Motion kit
[quote]ORIGINAL: svrcp Ah that work shop looks familiar. Yepa I heard today that's coming along fast. At this pace it will be done before the other one's. The paint shop is on hold for at least a week. Going to try to paint at same time. What are you going to use for power? Jr[:D] [/quote] Missed the question [8|] But, planning a Pletty with a YGE . . . I hear that's what the pro's use [:D] I don't know if I'm more excited to see the finished product you two put together or finally to fly the darn thing[:)]
Posted on: 11/19/2009 5:38 PM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "Pattern Flying"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9265832

Why such a big variation in watts on my Integral?
So being the geeky guy that I am, I log all my practice flights. Today I noticed an enormous difference in power usage between runs. The plane is an Integral with a 13XL, 20.5x14 APCe, and Jeti 99 esc. The first graph is 8 minutes on a set of Rhino 4900s. The second graph is 8 minutes on a set of True RC 15C 5000s. What's intriguing me is the variation in average watts. On the one hand I'm running 800 watts on average and then less than 600 watts average for the last flight. I flew the sessions identically. 5 minutes 30 seconds of Intermediate Sequence followed by 2 mins 30 secs of outside loop practice. Could the variation be due to battery differences, or do I simply need to learn to be more consistent on the throttle, or is there another factor I've not yet thought about? Anyways, nothing too Earth shattering . . . just curious as usual [;)]
Posted on: 11/19/2009 5:02 PM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "Electric Pattern Aircraft"
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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, kinda build thread
Flew another 6 packs today [:D] I really like the Pletty motor better, but I obviously need to work hard on learning some "mixology" because there is no doubt the Shulman plane with Joe L's professional mixes is easier to fly - except in the double roll - that I'm not sure I understand, but without question the plane with no wing incidence correction and no mixes is easier to roll axially. I did get the Pletty Integral to land better by programing spoilers like Joe L had on the Shulman plane and moving the battery a smidge forward. In the meantime looks like I need to call you Joe - so I can try to understand what the different mixes do. Thanks for all the great input guys. Someday I promise to stop buggin' y'all [:)] JP
Posted on: 11/18/2009 1:48 PM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "Pattern Flying"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9262980

RE: Schulze ESCs
Talk to UAL767. He was testing the latest batch today, and is a true authority on all things Schulze. [;)]
Posted on: 11/17/2009 8:51 PM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "Electric Pattern Aircraft"
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RE: Sebart Wind 110
Wilson, 10,000 posts! [sm=wink_smile.gif][sm=wink_smile.gif][sm=wink_smile.gif][sm=wink_smile.gif][sm=wink_smile.gif][sm=wink_smile.gif][sm=wink_smile.gif][sm=wink_smile.gif][sm=wink_smile.gif][sm=wink_smile.gif][sm=wink_smile.gif][sm=wink_smile.gif][sm=wink_smile.gif][sm=wink_smile.gif][sm=wink_smile.gif][sm=wink_smile.gif][sm=wink_smile.gif] I'm still workin' on the plan, but I hope you're thinkin' about what to do with a couple Yankee's on vacation. JP
Posted on: 11/17/2009 8:07 PM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "Electric Pattern Aircraft"
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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, kinda build thread
Ditto [:)] But I must say this winter thing is really a downer for the newly addicted. I even went so far as to buy one of those hand warmer transmitter holders . . . works great . . . Ya' know I was thinking you should skip the Wind 110 idea, and go right to an Integral. In fact I happen to know an incredible deal will be coming on the market soon [:D] I'm looking forward to seeing you as well at the NJ spring contest! JP
Posted on: 11/17/2009 7:56 PM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "Pattern Flying"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9261247

RE: Composite-ARF Integral, kinda build thread
General musings of a beginner . . . Flew 6 packs on my Shulman Integral today, and I must admit I'm a bit perplexed. There is considerable difference between my Pletty powered Integral and this new machine. Takeoff is way shorter and requires little to no back pressure. My tiny bit of knife edge in the 2-point roll during the split-S has no coupling, and when I'm landing I don't need any down pressure to keep the plane in a constant decent. I'm assuming all this is attributable to the wing incidence, but I'm not certain Anyways, it's all good. I thought I was in love with my first Integral, but my second is taking this to a whole new level [:D] JP
Posted on: 11/17/2009 7:06 PM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "Pattern Flying"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9261114

RE: Plettenberg Xtra 30-10 EVO
Having trouble posting in a smaller size so I put the second graph of the 13XL in a second post:
Posted on: 11/16/2009 5:00 PM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "Electric Pattern Aircraft"
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RE: Plettenberg Xtra 30-10 EVO
Thanks for the data Chad. Clearly I am too "ham fisted" on my throttle and have room to slow down. For those few folks out there considering a Pletty for Intermediate competition. I took some data for the Pletty on an APC 21x14 and compared that to my 13 XL Integral on an APCe 20.5x14. Both times are the same complete Intermediate Sequence. The Pletty on 21x14 showed about 2600 mAhs total on the EagleTree (2788 mAh back in using a CellPro 10s). The 13 XL on a 20.5x14 showed about 2300 mAh total (2442 mAh back in on the CellPro). Nothing new here; just geeky fun [;)]
Posted on: 11/16/2009 4:53 PM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "Electric Pattern Aircraft"
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RE: Delro E-Motion kit
Joinin' the club! So I couldn't resist. Shoot me. I bought an E-motion even though I'm barely capable of the Intermediate sequence. None the less, I have coordinated a purchase and build of an E-motion and can only hope that the builder will post some progression shots along the way . . . plus I happen to know that another E-motion is in the "skunk factory" paint shop right now and hopefully the "boys" will leak a few photos there as well. As one of the few dedicated 2M e-machines available today, I can't tell you how excited I am to fly this machine! Hurry up C.M. [:D] JP
Posted on: 11/3/2009 9:50 PM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "Pattern Flying"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9226482

RE: Hacker XL Maintenance
Thanks! Thanks a bunch guys for all the great input. That was exactly what I was looking for, and I appreciate being able to learn from your experiences. I tried to Google for directions as well, but I must not have had the correct search terms so I missed the great Hacker pdf. Thanks again, JP
Posted on: 11/1/2009 7:42 AM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "Electric Pattern Aircraft"
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RE: Hacker C50 13XL (Comp). What's your experience?
Thanks Ryan! That's the kind of reassurance I was looking for. I'm still gonna think this one over, but the deal is so good I think I have to look past the motor [;)] JP
Posted on: 10/29/2009 3:14 PM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "Pattern Flying"
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RE: Hacker XL Maintenance
For anyone still listening in here I was wondering if you can offer me some advice. I'm looking at buying a used plane with a C50 in it, but am concerned that the maintenance is a hassle and that there is a high risk of failure. Does someone have a set of photos that show the basic maintenance procedures? Can the motors be sent to Hacker for maintenance? What about failures? What typically happens if anything? Thanks, Joe
Posted on: 10/29/2009 3:08 PM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "Electric Pattern Aircraft"
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RE: Hacker C50 13XL (Comp). What's your experience?
Truth is I'm contemplating buying a used 2M plane that has one in it. One person whose opinion I respect a great deal feels that this particular inrunner has a higher than normal failure rate and is difficult to maintain. What I'm really looking for is someone with experience flying the C50 for awhile that can talk about their experience. I'm trying in the electrical forum as well, but I'm afraid this isn't a common topic. JP
Posted on: 10/29/2009 3:03 PM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "Pattern Flying"
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Hacker C50 13XL (Comp). What's your experience?
So I think this is a commonly tried motor, but it doesn't have it's own thread. What failures does it have? How much does it cost to repair? What is the maintenance schedule like? How do you like it? As always thanks, JP
Posted on: 10/28/2009 7:54 PM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "Pattern Flying"
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RE: Great Planes Sequence F3A
[quote]ORIGINAL: Greg Covey . . . I love to fly aerobatics and plan to use the Sequence to increase my own piloting skills using this excellent flying model. [link=http://www.gregcovey.com/reviews/SequenceTesting.wmv]Devin McGrath Test Flying my stock G.P. Sequence F3A[/link] (32meg) [/quote] ROTFLMAO [:D][:D][:D][:D] Dude - Devin rocks!! I'm gonna buy me one of these bad boys and add it to my list of comparisons, but if it doesn't do perfect rolling harriers in high winds I'll be sorely disappointed!!! Seriously though . . . great flying and nice video. Be sure to say thanks to the excellent camera man! One quick question from one RC dude to another. What are your thoughts on motor and prop? Thanks for the awesome video, JP
Posted on: 10/28/2009 7:42 PM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "Electric Pattern Aircraft"
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RE: Sebart Wind 110
[quote]ORIGINAL: gaRCfield I'm trying to read through this whole thread and having a hard time keeping track: Is it the consensus that the stock setup with 8S battery is lacking in power? At least two have used the Scorpion motor - is it a direct fit, or does it require modification? I think one person said it was easy and one said it was hard. I am only 1.25 years into the hobby and want the easiest setup I can get, however I fly pattern competitively and do not want a lack in power. What engine/battery combo should I use? [/quote] Boy do I have a deal for you . . . [:)] How 'bout I send you a 6s Hacker motor and battery to start which will fit without modification, and then you report, and after your report I'll decide what to buy for mine [;)] I have a Fliton Inspire 90 that is 9lbs with a 6s 8000 mAh pack on an 18x12 APC prop, and it has way more power than I need. My guess is the Wind would fly well on the same setup as its weight is identical. Sadly I don't have 8s stuff to offer as a possibility, but I'm fairly certain that 6s will get the job done based on my experience, and I'm also certain that 10s 5000 will be overkill although 10s 8000 might be just right. Anyways just a thought . . . JP P.S. I also have a 10s Hyperion motor I'd be happy to send along as well [;)]
Posted on: 10/28/2009 7:25 PM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "Electric Pattern Aircraft"
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RE: Plettenberg Xtra 30-10 EVO
And another question for the pros . . . I'm showing over 3000 watts with an APC e 21x14 on my Integral right now. Do FAI guys fly this motor ever at 100% power? Isn't this motor too much or do the harder manuveurs require the full power? Curious as always, JP
Posted on: 10/28/2009 7:06 PM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "Electric Pattern Aircraft"
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Prop choice for a Pletty. What's the background?
Hi Again All - I realize there are other slightly contentious discussions ongoing with regards to props but being a new kid on the block, I was hoping a pro or two could offer some of their experience as to why the users of E power and Pletty motors in particular favor the range 20x14(15) to 21x14? As I mentioned in an Integral post I feel that my power setup (TP Pro Lite V2 10s, Hacker Master Spin 90, Pletty 30-10) has way more power than needed. I have my throttle curve cut back to 85% and it's my understanding thats the way several others run their Pletty throttle curves. I'd love to downsize my prop to a 19x12 to increase the practice time, but would my downlines become to speedy or my level flight to slow even for Intermediate? What other props have been tried on the Pletty? I realize this is a big and subjective discussion, and my real goal is simply to increase my practice times by reducing my power usage if possible, but in the end I want to do what's "right" or "best" I know the 20.5x14 is accepted as the "best". I'm just wondering what experiences went into making that choice. Thanks as always to anyone that takes the time to enlighten the new guy [;)] JP
Posted on: 10/28/2009 4:59 PM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "Pattern Flying"
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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, kinda build thread
Joe - I sent an email via RCU. If it didn't make it can you PM me? Thanks, Joe P.
Posted on: 10/27/2009 2:17 PM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "Pattern Flying"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9206334

Is EP ready to downsize to 8s?
So if you can't tell from my plethora of posts tonight, I'm spending a lot of mental energy on this pattern stuff . . . Anyways, seems like my Integral is waaaaaaay over powered so I was wondering . . . has anyone looked at 8s or 6s as a viable power source for 5kg/11lb planes? I mean my Fliton Inspire flies really well at 9lbs on 6s with a 8000mAh pack. The packs are gaining in power year by year and maybe their ready to provide the power needed in less than 10s. Anyways, just a thought [8|] Joe
Posted on: 10/27/2009 9:45 AM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "Pattern Flying"
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RE: Your biggest
[quote]ORIGINAL: swlarcham Yep Another way to say it is : Push The Tail the direction it needs to go . . . [:D] Eddie [/quote] [b]Push the tail![/b] Why didn't I think of that?!? Thanks for the tip. I like that much better than my low wing thought. [:)]
Posted on: 10/27/2009 9:43 AM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "Pattern Flying"
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RE: Is EP ready to downsize to 8s?
Hey Dave - Thanks for chiming in. If anyone has the "data", I'm certain its you! I guess I already knew that higher voltage is more efficient and should have considered that before asking the question. Nigel's comments helped me focus my thoughts more. I was more thinking of my outstanding experience with my Inspire 90 and how the price differential between that and my Integral is logarithmic rather than linear so really what I'm wondering is can a commercial outfit come up with a full 2M plane that is just under 10 lbs and could fly on a smaller motor and smaller battery set maybe something like a 10s 4300 and a Hacker A50-16L type system. The end goal being to create a competitive 2M E-ship for under $1000. Anyways just thinking outloud . . . [;)] Joe
Posted on: 10/27/2009 9:34 AM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "Pattern Flying"
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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, kinda build thread
Thanks Chad! That answers that. 500 mAh/minute is exactly what I'm seeing so I guess I'm doing the best I can for a Pletty setup and not really killin' the throttle more than usual which is good to know. Simon - I may have to try a geared Hacker inrunner just for comparison's sake. I wonder if Joe L. still has that Beryl for sale???? [:D] Joe
Posted on: 10/27/2009 7:37 AM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "Pattern Flying"
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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, kinda build thread
Hey Simon, Thanks for the input! I'm certain that my throttle inputs are playing a significant role in my power usage. I am still working on refining those gentle and subtle finger muscles [8|] Do you really fly 10 mins on a 2M ship? Joe
Posted on: 10/26/2009 9:28 PM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "Pattern Flying"
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RE: Your biggest
O.K. so how's this one . . . Working on my first humpty-bump in the intermediate sequence, and I was struggling with rudder corrections once the plane was facing away from me in the upline, and I struck upon: Push the rudder towards the low wing when the plane is facing away from you. I'm certain most of you's guys do this instinctively now, but that's what I was thinking today [:)] Any comments, thoughts or incites? Joe
Posted on: 10/26/2009 9:00 PM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "Pattern Flying"
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Cost effective 2M electric dedicated planes.
So is there an electric dedicated full 2M pattern ARF for under $1000? Is there a market for said machine? Just curious as always [;)] Joe
Posted on: 10/26/2009 8:53 PM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "Pattern Flying"
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