RE: 150 meter rule.
[quote]ORIGINAL: Don Szczur I stood out along that Thornburg road today and got a first hand glimpse of the Masters and FAI pilots . . . . . . .Most averaged around 200 to 225 meters (with one or two turnaround maneuvers going in as close as 140. I then stood at 200 meters expecting that was probably where Joseph flies. I was very surprised to see that he flew well inside 200 meters P.S., we miss you Joe but understand fully. Hope her meet went well. [/quote] Thanks Don I missed you guys big time. The weather was so perfect I kept whining in my head "I wish I was in VA, I wish I was in VA", but Grace ran her personal best, and I like to think it was 'cuz "Dad" was cheering her on. Anyways, it's funny how Joseph was the one pilot I thought of that actually flies 150. I remember watching him fly at the Nats in 2011 and thinking how crisp, close, and well defined his maneuvers were, and how that presented wholly unlike anything anyone else was doing. The question is do you think there is a realistic way to encourage flying closer to the 150-175 box without too much hassle and is it worth it? Thanks for taking a look at the issue! Joe
Posted on: 9/17/2012 5:13 AM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "RC Pattern Flying"
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RE: 150 meter rule.
[quote]ORIGINAL: flywilly FAI F3A Box Distance Table Distance | Distance | Time across box from pilot | across box | in seconds Meters Feet | M | Ft | @60mph | @75 | @100 150 | 492 | 520 |1707 | 19.4 | 15.5 | 11.6 175 | 574 | 606 |1990 | 22.6 | 18.1 | 13.5 200 | 656 | 693 |2275 | 25.9 | 20.7 | 15.5 225 | 738 | 779 |2557 | 29.1 | 23.2 | 17.4 250 | 820 | 866 |2843 | 32.3 | 25.8 | 19.3 [/quote] Cheating at 200 gets you 5 secs extra time which is a lot when you think about it, but the real question is what does the community want to do about it. Personally telling the difference between 175 and 225 seems to be impossible so the only answer to me would be to have a line judge that degrades for distance. Is it worth it? Is there some other possible answer like awarding points for close in straight flight? Have I started a discussion that is pointless? Joe
Posted on: 9/14/2012 7:26 PM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "RC Pattern Flying"
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RE: 150 meter rule.
I totally agree with all the comments above. I just got back from practicing at the field shown in the last picture above, and I can say my own habit had been to fly well past 200 yards and bringing it in to 150 was horrible. Basically it requires learning a whole new speed and size for all the maneuvers. It wasn't quite as dramatic as I envisioned, but more difficult for sure. Joe
Posted on: 9/14/2012 11:59 AM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "RC Pattern Flying"
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RE: 150 meter rule.
[quote]ORIGINAL: serious power Hi, Just a cautionary note; G-Earth views can be quite oblique depending on patch location relative to the pass over track. Brian [/quote] Brian, You can see the obliqueness from some of the photos themselves, but I would add that the distance shown on the FARM photo agrees precisely with the 150M pole they have, and even a 5% error which to me seems improbable is only 7M. Certainly I wouldn't go setting any Pattern poles based on these pictures, but simply to say the tree line is roughly 150 and the field beyond is 250, for that I think we are well with in the tolerances of an oblique view. Not that I don't fully agree with being cautious [:D] Planning my first trip to the practice field today to get a better understanding of what I'm talking about and to see just how much of a difference it makes for my style of flying. Joe
Posted on: 9/14/2012 4:32 AM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "RC Pattern Flying"
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RE: 150 meter rule.
[quote]ORIGINAL: Anthony-RCU Would love to see this done on the Stormville field. Maybe a circle since we fly in all directions to avoid the sun. Can't seem to get the ruler to work on my iPad. [/quote] Made one for myself earlier. Was gonna test it tomorrow [:D] [image]http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad115/JoePeck66/RC%20Airplane%20Stuff/stormville3.jpg?t=1347588931[/image] [image]http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad115/JoePeck66/RC%20Airplane%20Stuff/stormville2.jpg?t=1347588101[/image]
Posted on: 9/13/2012 7:17 PM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "RC Pattern Flying"
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RE: 150 meter rule.
[quote]ORIGINAL: EHFAI Joe The speed thing is another whole can of worms. I've measured both airspeed with a pitot and ground speed with GPS. Of course, the GPS speed is only valid in level flight while the wind must be factored into the pitot speed. One things certain - constant speed is more of a perception than a fact! Even a simple loop that appears to be flown at ''constant speed'' will actually vary considerably throughout the maneuver. Usually I fly a sequence or a practice session, then apply the data I'm interested in to Aresti of the sequence(s) flown. Actually, altitude is the most telling as one can observe entry / exit alts, loop dia, etc. So, I don't have data handy that shows just level flight speed at some throttle setting (something to work on). Picking data from sequence entry or rolling maneuvers the 70 - 80 mph number is pretty close. Yes, the box gets short quick @150M - explains why a lot of designers / pilots have a focus on slower speeds and other pilots fly way out. Unfortunately, I tend to use this data to sort out new sequences / equipment and don't really keep good files - at least with coded names that make sense a year or so later. I've learned a couple of ''tricks'' for using the ET GPS, (at least mine) doesn't work above 6v supply - I use a 5.2v reg between it and the power source. Mounting the GPS RX in the wing works well  (1/8'' x 1 x 1 slot in the foam) - CF and power unit stuff can block the signal. Initial satelite acquisition takes a couple of minutes - each power up during that days work then are quick. Lock on to sats in the pilot box, then the closest distance shown each pass is the distance out (in front of the pilot). [/quote] Thanks Earl. Great stuff. My BEC is set above 6v so I would have struggled with that for sure. Can't wait to see exactly where I'm flying. Joe
Posted on: 9/13/2012 2:03 PM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "RC Pattern Flying"
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RE: 150 meter rule.
Google Earth is an incredible tool for checking this at every field! I LOVE the ruler. Wish I'd tried that yesterday. Here's a redo of the FARM field in VA where I have gone to many competitions. You can see the pole at 150 meters out past the pond so obviously the marking is correct. Just gotta get some perspective on what the planes look like at that distance. I totally agree that if folks want to make an issue of this it should be done progressively. On the other hand I wonder if many folks wouldn't like to see the rule changed to 200m. Suddenly the slowness offered by the contra is becoming of interest [:D] Joe [image]http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad115/JoePeck66/RC%20Airplane%20Stuff/FARM.jpg?t=1347559138[/image]
Posted on: 9/13/2012 10:59 AM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "RC Pattern Flying"
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RE: 150 meter rule.
In particular you can see this field which is only 20 minutes from my house. I don't want to practice at 150m and then have everyone slam me for flying too small at contests. [image]http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad115/JoePeck66/RC%20Airplanes/sherwood2.jpg?t=1347554605[/image]
Posted on: 9/13/2012 9:45 AM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "RC Pattern Flying"
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RE: 150 meter rule.
See already caught a mistake in the above photo. It showed 150 and 200 not 150 and 175 but I fixed it now [8|]
Posted on: 9/13/2012 9:41 AM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "RC Pattern Flying"
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RE: 150 meter rule.
[quote]ORIGINAL: danamania Larry, Joe, if there is an opportunity at the contest this weekend to demonstrate the distances discussed, that would be most helpful.  This from the point of view of someone progressing through the AMA classes (not FAI).  It seems to take a bit of experience to estimate these distances,  whereas the box boundaries are easier to visualize as one goes from field to field during the contest season. Interesting discussion actually. [/quote] I hope you guys have a chance to do just that! Sadly I have to go to my daughters X-country meet on Saturday as my wife is out of town. Here's a Google Earth shot showing 150, 175, and 250 meters. Somebody should print it out and see what everyone thinks. A demo by someone before the contest with a flagger in the field would be interesting for sure. Joe [image]http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad115/JoePeck66/RC%20Airplanes/fredrickb.jpg?t=1347554326[/image]
Posted on: 9/13/2012 9:40 AM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "RC Pattern Flying"
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RE: 150 meter rule.
Looking at the Fredricksburg photo above I'm thinking a couple things about last fall. 1) I think we were flying past the house on the left and turning in the middle of the far left field which would be at least 200 meters. and 2) some folks were approaching the road and that's about 250. Like I said I've been badly mistaken before when I got fixated on a topic, but boy it seems to be my experience that everyone I know is flying outside 175 meters. Now I'm curious to know how fast we really fly 'cuz I've heard it said we're doing about 70-80 and that's 30 to 35 meters per second which should allow a mere 15 seconds from end to end for the official box, and THAT seems REALLY tiny. Does anyone have GPS data on their speed with a 2M plane? Joe
Posted on: 9/13/2012 9:07 AM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "RC Pattern Flying"
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RE: 150 meter rule.
[quote]ORIGINAL: EHFAI 2Sunny A nifty way to determine your flight distance is to use the EagleTree datalogger with GPS. The data translate directly into Google Earth and will show your flight track relative to the runway. Use the measuring tools of GE to measure the distance out. You'll also be able to observe if your flight path is parallel to the runway, consistant in distance,Â
Posted on: 9/13/2012 4:48 AM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "RC Pattern Flying"
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RE: 150 meter rule.
O.k. I'm the first to admit when I'm wrong, and I have doggedly pursued dead ends before, but I really think all FAI flyers are WAAAAY outside 175 meters these days. My primary evidence comes from the FARM competition site with which I am most familiar. The picture is crude, but the fact is most folks fly outside the copse of trees on the right and pass the treed area on the left and push towards the tree line infront which would put most folks outside 300 yards. The proof will be at the next contest if folks are willing to send a judge out to 150 and raise a flag. It's really hard to prove post ipso factum. The picture shows 150, 175, and 250 triangles. Joe [image]http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad115/JoePeck66/RC%20Airplanes/150md.jpg?t=1347493420[/image]
Posted on: 9/12/2012 4:48 PM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "RC Pattern Flying"
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150 meter rule.
Just wondering what guys think about the 150 meter rule in general. I have been using Google Maps this morning to look at satellite photos of fields at which I have flown, and I am fairly certain I never fly at 150m but something closer to 250m, and I am fairly certain I have never seen an FAI competitor fly anywhere close to 150m. I base this on using the 100m per 3 cm resolution on Google Maps then cutting out a piece of paper that is a triangle with a height of 4.5 cm and 60 degrees to either side. I can then lay the triangle on the screen and rough out the landmarks I'm used to seeing, and again I'm fairly certain I never see patterns flown at that distance. Questions: 1) Am I mistaken? Do most folks fly roughly 150m? 2) If I am correct, should we change the rules or start enforcing the 150m rule or just never mind? Anyways, just curious. Joe P.S. EDIT: I should add that I honestly would love to see a strict enforcement of this rule. Perhaps by starting each contest with an individual standing at 200m and pointing up when a plane flies directly overhead so all judges can see what a plane looks like at 200m. For me this would be an enormous benefit because I could practice at two smaller local fields that easily fit 150m of flying but do not allow flying at 250m which is what I think we have become used to. [image]http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad115/JoePeck66/RC%20Airplanes/150meters.jpg?t=1347460862[/image]
Posted on: 9/12/2012 7:44 AM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "RC Pattern Flying"
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RE: Plettenberg 30-10? 30-9? or Advance 30-10?
[quote]ORIGINAL: extraline Which one is better? [/quote] I have owned, tested, and flown all 3 . . . Extra 30-10 Evo weight 585g KV (rpm/volt) 220 ideal Pattern prop 20x13 to 22x14 Extra 30-9 weight 565g Kv (rpm/volt) 235 ideal pattern prop 19x12 to 20x12 Advance 30-10 weight 600g Kv (rpm/volt 230) ideal Pattern prop 20x13 to 22x14 Advertised efficiency is the best for the Advance and real life data seems to show that to be the case. Most Pattern folks who tried the 30-9 found it was too "hot"; the 30-10 Evo is a heavily "tried and tested" model; the 30-10 Advance is the newest and most efficient, but it's slightly heavier and slightly more difficult to mount. Either 30-10 (Advance or Evo) would be perfect. HTH [:)] Joe
Posted on: 7/22/2012 6:35 AM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "Electric Pattern Aircraft"
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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, kinda build thread
Hi Joe, Congratulations on your new plane! For what it's worth, I briefly owned one of the planes built by Ryan and can say without hesitation that he knows how to build one heck of a great Integral and he can be a fantastic resource. I also wanted to comment on motor selection. I owned 2 Integrals. One built by Ryan with a Pletty 30-10 and one built for JAS with a C50 comp and I know motor selection can be a highly divisive issue around here as I'm sure you are well aware, so I hope you and everyone else reading this will take this as the "one guy's" OPINION and not start a flame war, BUT I really think it comes down to a simple question of do you mind removing and greasing your motor at 50 cycle intervals and what's it worth to you to have a motor that simply won't fail. Personally I have never heard of a Plettenberg 30-10 failing in flight, but I have heard of plenty of Neu and C50 motors failing in flight. When you are dealing with a $3000 investment, I don't understand why you wouldn't choose the "bullet proof" option. I understand the C50 and Neu are more efficient, and that the top FAI flyers are able to discern subtle differences in power application in the mid-range of the throttle curve when comparing an inrunner to an outrunner, but at the level you and I fly I really don't think there is a noticeable difference. Plus if you follow all the advice on this thread, I am certain weight will not be an issue to the point that you need to save 2 ounces on motor selection. Not to mention that if you do a C50 in the ideal fashion with a "soft mount" the total motor weight with mount ends up more than that of a Pletty and a simple firewall mount. Anyways, like I said that's just one dude's opinion and in no way meant to denigrate anyone elses favorite choice [;)] By the way, where are the build pictures???? Joe [:D]
Posted on: 6/28/2012 5:04 AM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "RC Pattern Flying"
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RE: Ordered new batteries . . . we'll see . . .
[quote]ORIGINAL: rgreen24 Any more word on how you like the new batteries - 2 sunny [/quote] I have a total of 4 flights on the batteries now. The IRs on both are 0.x to 1.x. I haven't graphed them inflight yet, but will try to do that tomorrow. My short answer is: these are great batteries, but I have no idea how long they may last. For what it's worth I am just now retiring my oldest set of Rhinos after 3 years and about 60 cycles because one cell has an IR of 6 while the others are still 1s and 2s. The pack did not "fail" yet, but I'm happy with 3 seasons of use. In my Pegasus, which is exceptionally light I feel this "heavy" battery gives me an ideal CG that optimizes tracking, and so I plan on buying a couple more to use in competition. Especially since I need every advantage I can to catch up to JR in the next D1/D2 Shootout [:D] Cheers, Joe
Posted on: 6/28/2012 4:33 AM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "Electric Pattern Aircraft"
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RE: Prolog
Just got back from the 22nd Annual Pocono Pattern contest. Thanks Joe! Perfect weather, lots of fun, only trouble was a strange magnetic pull that kept drawing the junior flyers planes awfully close to the pits, but Joe assured us he'd check it out and see if he couldn't fix that next year [:D] Seriously though, I just wanted to note that JR won Intermediate ahh -gaaaain with his Prolog (move up already [;)] ) and that the Prolog is truly an amazing plane (of course it didn't hurt that the pilot was awesome too). I know it hasn't caused quite the stir as the Nuance, but after watching it and flying it and seeing others fly it, I genuinely believe the Prolog is every bit as good as the Nuance and $200 cheaper to boot! It just needs a little more love from everyone [:)] In the meantime I'll work on finding a couple more pictures. Joe
Posted on: 6/25/2012 4:13 AM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "Electric Pattern Aircraft"
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RE: 22nd Annual Pocono Pattern Contest - June 23-24 2012
I might miss the first round but I think I'm gonna make it! Joe Peck
Posted on: 6/22/2012 12:31 PM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "RC Pattern Flying"
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RE: Nuance
[quote]ORIGINAL: Zi-Chun Lin Some funny pic and vedio of my Nuance. We has National selection for 2012 Asia Cup last weekend. Here was the vedio of my Nuance flying in competition!! Nuance was easy for F-13...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go4V7CxiYEI&list=UUFNRkalVkZ8CrB4YPTp5YvQ&index=1&feature=plcp [/quote] Awesome Flying Zi! So is the guy in the picture trying to go for a ride [:D] It is great to see F3A flyers from around the world coming to RCU. . . . Thanks for sharing! [quote]ORIGINAL: TonyF There was something about that CG I did not like but only more flights will get it right. Overall, I'm very impressed. Can't wait to get things optimized to really see what she will do! [/quote] Tony, I'm definitely not the authority hear, but I do know there was some discussion at last weekends contest in VA about the CG having been way too aft for Arch's liking initially, and he ended up moving his batteries pretty far forward from their starting point. Anyways, your plane and setup look way cool, and I can't wait to hear more about your results! Joe
Posted on: 6/15/2012 4:04 PM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "Electric Pattern Aircraft"
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RE: Wow! Jeti Mezons! Who else has heard?
[quote]ORIGINAL: rgreen24 Looks interesting but it seems you may have to have a Jeti TX to enjoy the telemetry [/quote] I am by no means an expert and can only repeat what I believe I heard, but I think you can get a small Jeti Box Pro that shows the telemetry but you do need a Duplex Rx onboard, but again I have no idea if you could install that independent of your primary rx. Either way, I believe the Mezon records the data and you can download all the parameters after the flight. But honestly I know very little so you may be right [;)] [quote]ORIGINAL: Jason Arnold Hi Joe, Good find! The weight is significantly less than the Spin 99. Looks good too. Not sure I would go with BEC though... Jeti don't seem to have anything about it on their web site.... Cheers, Jason. [/quote] No not much info. I did find it in their German and Czech catalog and Esprit has a video of it in operation. [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8zhoH8XOD8[/youtube]
Posted on: 6/14/2012 4:34 AM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "Electric Pattern Aircraft"
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Wow! Jeti Mezons! Who else has heard?
So I was trying to buy a Kontronik JIVE FAI 120HV from [link=http://www.espritmodel.com/new-2012-season.aspx]EspritModels.com[/link] and talking to Danny when he asked if I knew about the upcoming line from Jeti called the [i]Mezon[/i] (meh-zun). He then told me how he's been running a test model and this thing has a) 5-8v/10 amp BEC b)real time telemetry showing everything a Castle ICE datalogger shows c) and is fully programmable by USB. Given that Jeti is famous for operating Pletis better than any other esc, I can't wait to try one! [image]http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad115/JoePeck66/RC%20Uploads/Mezon.jpg?t=1339628940[/image]
Posted on: 6/13/2012 4:21 PM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "Electric Pattern Aircraft"
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RE: New Plettenberg F3A motor
Woodie, I see where they state 565g. I wonder if that is a typo? Anyways, I too am a bit disappointed to learn that this motor is on the "heavy" side. Truth is I never weighed mine as it came already installed in my new Pegasus (thanks Larry!) Also, I know I keep beating this dead horse, but the 25-12 spins a 20.5 x 14.5 faster than the Advance at a cost of about 5 to 10 amps but with 70g less weight so I am certain Plettenberg could have made the Advance lighter if they tried. and, Jason, You should have been a comedian [:D]
Posted on: 6/12/2012 7:08 PM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "Electric Pattern Aircraft"
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RE: New Plettenberg F3A motor
Not sure if they changed this at some point, but Plettenberg advertises 595g on their site. I wonder if the 565 was an early guess rather than the actual. Either way you can add me to the long list of folks that love this motor [:)] [link=http://www.plettenberg-motoren.com/german/Motoren/Brushless/Advance30/Masse.htm]Data for Advance 30-10[/link] Joe
Posted on: 6/12/2012 3:03 PM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "Electric Pattern Aircraft"
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RE: Ordered new batteries . . . we'll see . . .
Initial IR's as measured on a CellPro 10S for both batteries I bought are between 1.7 and 2.5. Very promising start!
Posted on: 6/12/2012 2:06 PM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "Electric Pattern Aircraft"
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RE: Ordered new batteries . . . we'll see . . .
New batteries are in and so far so good. I'll post IR's in a bit, but here's the weight. 1265g with APPs (They were 1270g before APP)
Posted on: 6/12/2012 1:45 PM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "Electric Pattern Aircraft"
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RE: Question: Best battery for max RPM and ESCs for constant RPM.
I was very fortunate to travel to Harrisonburg, VA this weekend for a great contest put together by JR otherwise known as "Svrcp". I'll save all the fantastic details for another thread, but while I was there I got to try a new battery that will be on sale in a few weeks at [link=http://www.f3aunlimited.com/webstore/]F3AUnlimited.com[/link]. They are slightly longer and thinner than the current PU batteries, but most importantly they hold an amazingly high voltage level in flight. Below is a complete intermediate sequence with a full throttle run on the ground prior to takeoff as well as after landing. The first graph is voltage only and the second graph shows voltage plus amps. I realize one graph alone does not a story tell, but I have been collecting identical graphs on many different batteries over several years and can say without question the initial performance of these batteries is better than anything else I have tried. Obviously, I can't say much about cycle life at this point. The low voltage reading at the end is 36.3 volts. The packs are 35C/5100mAh and a 10S with APP connectors weighs 1215g which is just less than my Rhinos and even more impressive there will be a 4500mAh version that will be a couple ounces lighter than that! Bottom Line: These batteries are "Kick Butt!" and I can't wait to get a couple sets. The rumored pricing was around $90 per battery, but don't hold me to that as I don't know for sure. [image]http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad115/JoePeck66/RC%20Airplane%20Stuff/NewPULong.jpg?t=1339449605[/image] [image]http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad115/JoePeck66/RC%20Airplane%20Stuff/NewPULongamps.jpg?t=1339449687[/image]
Posted on: 6/11/2012 2:47 PM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "Electric Pattern Aircraft"
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Straight leading edge versus tapered.
I'm certainly no aeronautical engineer, but I do know that wings that fly well at speeds considerably less than the speed of sound are always designed with a straight leading edge as opposed to a swept leading edge. I know this question has been asked and answered many times before, but can anyone re-enlighten me on what advantage/disadvantage one would have just from a difference in sweep or no sweep? Thanks as always! [image]http://www.f3aunlimited.com/webstore/images/prolog.JPG[/image] [image]http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad115/JoePeck66/RC%20Airplane%20Stuff/swept.jpg[/image]
Posted on: 5/29/2012 4:41 PM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "Electric Pattern Aircraft"
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RE: CAELESTIA NEW F3A 2011
[quote]ORIGINAL: cmoulder Don't worry, Joe - I tend to work like a hamster on crack.[:D] [/quote] My eyes are watering I'm laughing so hard, but I'm gonna hold you to it and expect to see this in the air soon! [:D][:D][:D]
Posted on: 5/24/2012 6:06 PM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "Electric Pattern Aircraft"
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RE: CAELESTIA NEW F3A 2011
[quote]ORIGINAL: J Lachowski mmmmmmmmight be!![;)] [/quote] So 2 of these things are gonna be in the area [X(] and while I've got you on the hook, do you still have an Integral for sale?
Posted on: 5/24/2012 5:31 PM by Author "2Sunny" in the forum "Electric Pattern Aircraft"
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