RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum
[quote]ORIGINAL: init4fun It just kinda bugs me cause of all the folks banned , I thought KE stated his opinions well , and certainly not in a rulebreaking way ......... [/quote] You will find that I defended him and another, against those that just simply reported every post they made.
Posted on: 9/15/2012 10:38 AM by Author "Arbo" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11229345

RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum
[quote]ORIGINAL: init4fun I have read this entire thread front to back and have seen nowhere that your mentioned screen shots show the name(s) of who told you to ban these people ? [/quote] If you have read the entire thread, you would have seen the screen shots. If you read the entire thread you would know I did not ban them, the admins did.
Posted on: 9/15/2012 10:01 AM by Author "Arbo" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11229325

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[quote]ORIGINAL: init4fun Now , Prove me wrong by naming exactly WHO was the "way above me" people [/quote] Another person that wishes others to jump through the hoops they have constructed. No thanks. That dog don't hunt. Screen captures have already been previously posted, if you can not see who posted what, it's not my problem.
Posted on: 9/15/2012 9:43 AM by Author "Arbo" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11229317

RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum
[quote]ORIGINAL: mongo that is the part of all this that bothers me. paid staff and elected folks determined to get rid of a dues paying member for no more than expressing his opinion. [/quote] I think it was based on the reaction to his posts by a handful of people that continually sent PM's and emails and made phone calls demanding they get rid of him.
Posted on: 9/14/2012 9:16 PM by Author "Arbo" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11228960

RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum
[quote]ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy ohhhhhh, so THATS why I was banned. I never knew what I said to earn that Stealth Ban, but now I get to find out what I did to get banned was .... [i]nothing[/i] well, that would explain why it was a stealth ban and not a regular violation-explained ban but in the end it was Mission Accomplished for the wolfcryers that harassed me: The folks running our board let them successfully drive a member(KE) off the board by harassment. I didnt stop using our board because of some ban or permaban, I stopped because they allowed continued attacks on me even after 'last chance' and 'final warning's I still think my favorite was: I ask a moderator to review my text before posting. I post the text that gbeot the greenlight from that mod. Within a few hours that post gets VAPORIZED off the server, no explanation no appeal ... just '[i]more strikes against that troublemaker KE[/i]' I just cant bring any tears for a forum run like that getting closed [/quote] Yes, you never should have doubted what happened and why. I recall exchanging PM's with you about 'toning it down' because people were set and determined to get rid of you, and it was way above me...
Posted on: 9/14/2012 8:59 AM by Author "Arbo" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11228368

RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum
[quote]ORIGINAL: JUGFLIER You don't stop and pay attention to what people say. I stated it was a systemic problem went up the chain. It went far beyond district 5. [/quote] Oh the irony. What I said was that on the AMA's forum, criticism was allowed. This means your claim of it being systemic is invalid.
Posted on: 9/7/2012 9:10 AM by Author "Arbo" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11220715

RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum
[quote]ORIGINAL: phlpsfrnk It was a simple request. [/quote] You don't make simple requests, you make demands. You have done such repeatedly. You demand an explanation for every action everyone takes that you do not agree with. Sorry, but everyone around you is not your servant. You are far from the only person told by the admins on the AMA site that discussing moderator issues on the open forum was not allowed, nor are you the only one that had such messages removed.
Posted on: 9/7/2012 8:33 AM by Author "Arbo" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11220682

RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum
[quote]ORIGINAL: JUGFLIER I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but it's true. I am a living testimony to that fact. I was banned from district 5 website (though I never posted there) because of my scathing denunciation of Jim Cherry when he brought his thuggishness to AMA. I was indeed persecuted all the way up the chain for my position. So yes, the AMA does not like nor tolerate any criticism or opposing views of it stated dogma or orthodoxy. Your innumerable posts in this thread drive that truth home again and again. [/quote] Whatever the district 5 people did has nothing to do with the AMA forum. And as pointed out again and again, you can browse the AMA forum and find plenty of posts where people had criticism of the AMA and it's policies. It was allowed. That some people were inable to be critical in a manner that stayed inside of the rules of the forum is their issue, not the AMA's issue.
Posted on: 9/7/2012 7:31 AM by Author "Arbo" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11220629

RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum
[quote]ORIGINAL: phlpsfrnk If you quote someone quote them completely. "Please note that he has never shown any factual evidence or provided examples of wrong doing on my part and I seriously doubt that he can. Until he does I’m done." There is no "or" in that statement and if you provide a complete post by me that was removed or a link or some example to back up your statements then they are baseless allegations that prove nothing and do not deserve a direct response from me. Regards Frank [/quote] I gave a few examples of exactly what you did that was 'wrong doing' IAW the site rules there. If you want to deny all of it, well, that sits on your soul. But the reality is it is all very much true. The statement "Until he does I'm done." is really kind of important as an insight into the person that posted it. As here you are, still not 'done'. One of two conclusions can be made from t his, the first being that proof has been shown, the other goes to the integrety of the words you type. As I said, the readers can decide. As an edit, this part of your previous post is so full of irony and hypocrisy it's simply amazing: [quote] Just because he says it does not make it true. Throwing a bunch of stuff against the wall to see if anything sticks may sometimes work but first you need to be able to hit the wall.[/quote] I must thank you again for a great big morning belly laugh. That is absolutly astounding.
Posted on: 9/7/2012 6:39 AM by Author "Arbo" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11220580

RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum
Oh look, two claim to have never seen a response.. you know, back to when pfrank pretty much said 'give me proof or i'm done'... readers can judge his statement as he has continued to post... As a reminder from that post several pages back: quote: ORIGINAL: phlpsfrnk You are correct; I have reread my posts here and believe I have been reasonable, factual and civil in my responses and requests. The best I’ve gotten in return has been sarcasm and ridicule which is SOP when he has ever dealt with me. Here's an example of a thread that he participated in, moderated and made off topic posts and again locked without reason given; http://www.modelaircraft.org/forums/tm.aspx?m=14066 Please note that he has never shown any factual evidence or provided examples of wrong doing on my part and I seriously doubt that he can. Until he does I’m done. Regards Frank Yes, you used the desire, stated by Jim Rice, to close down the forum due to the lack of civil behavior (as he had administrator/moderator access as well). There is a huge irony in all of that, considering who he considered to be those that were causing all the 'trouble'. Stuff where you broke the rules and required moderation: 1) Attacks on Kidepoxy 2) "I also agree with Brad that moderators should not moderate threads they participate in. I hope the moderation I’ve already seen here was done by a third (uninvolved) moderator." Removed because the AMA President said point blank, discussion of the moderation was not a topic for the public forum, to use PM's and other methods. This was a recurring theme by you, broking at least dozens of times. Including one where you referred to the other moderator as a 'brown nose'. 3) you often responded to others and went on rants about their 'lack of comprehension', again, against the rules. 4) You quite often reposted messages that were removed due to rules violations. 5) you went on a Link this word and every other one like it in our forum to YOUR Website! rampage about how the leader members were 'hiding' stuff, insisting that sub form needed to be open to the public, just about always crossing the lines of the rules in terms of negativity put forth, and yet again, when messages were removed, you continuiously reposted them anway, with a total disreguard for the rules. I could go on, but I think this makes the point towards you statement that you 'never did wrong'....
Posted on: 9/7/2012 6:00 AM by Author "Arbo" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11220543

RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum
[quote]ORIGINAL: littlecrankshaf Who is my buddy? I thought you were... [/quote] Oh no sense hiding it any longer. Let everyone know what other site you run and what you go by there.
Posted on: 9/6/2012 6:08 PM by Author "Arbo" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11220115

RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum
[quote]ORIGINAL: littlecrankshaf Works fine for me.[;)] [/quote] You should at least change the theme so it doesn't look like your buddies site..
Posted on: 9/6/2012 5:36 PM by Author "Arbo" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11220085

RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum
[quote]ORIGINAL: littlecrankshaf What are you talking about? [/quote] You having fun running that forum? You know, SMF just isn't that good of software, you should consider using some other software.
Posted on: 9/6/2012 2:16 PM by Author "Arbo" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11219905

RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum
[quote]ORIGINAL: phlpsfrnk Paul, I truly feel sorry for you. Have a great life. Regards Frank [/quote] No you don't, nor do you have a reason to. How about we stick to the truth? It is noted you previously in this thread asked for 'proof' of your behavior, and when it was provided, quit commenting. Just wanted to remind you that nobody forgot that.
Posted on: 9/6/2012 12:43 PM by Author "Arbo" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11219803

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[quote]ORIGINAL: phlpsfrnk Paul, You do not deny you removed that post and this particular time you did respond with a PM "Yeah, I heard you the first time." [/quote] Hell if I know, I don't appear to have the 100% recall like you do, or perhaps it's that I don't keep every little detail of every interaction I have with others stored away somewhere like others do.. apparently with the intent of using in in a bashing thread in the future. But I wouldn't count out that is something I would have said to you, as you were (and obviously still are) repetitive. You break a rule or have some 'point' to make, and you repeat it over and over and over. You post the same exact thing here, RCG and RClies... honestly it comes across as desperate. The real funny part about your initial complaint about 'unwanted' or 'abusive' PM's, is what it came down to, is you didn't want PM's from those you did not like. Whaaaa... Now you go fly a plane as well, it's a better use of your time.
Posted on: 9/6/2012 8:19 AM by Author "Arbo" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11219472

RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum
[quote]ORIGINAL: littlecrankshaf That was a bad rule IMO. It allowed too much subjective latitude, which in turn caused more problems than it prevented... "negative attitude"... a book could be wrote about that... and the arbotrary application thereof.LOL [/quote] Well, you are always free to start your own forum and not include such a rule. Even though it was very much clear and left no room for 'guessing', but I understand some people don't get that. Now how about you go out and fly a plane or work on a build?
Posted on: 9/6/2012 7:21 AM by Author "Arbo" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11219402

RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum
[quote]ORIGINAL: phlpsfrnk The thread topic on AMA forum help that you deleted without notice. What rules did that one break? Regards Frank [/quote] 1. The rules stated you may or may not get an explanation. Pretty much the same as every other forum. In your case, you no longer got explanations because your responses were always abusive. 2. You consistantly broke the add-on rules by Dave about negative attitude in posts. I want to thank you again for the laugh first thing in the morning. Have you ever done stand up?
Posted on: 9/6/2012 6:45 AM by Author "Arbo" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11219369

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[quote]ORIGINAL: phlpsfrnk crank, [:@]He and his ilk that hate anyone that disagrees or calls them out on their actions.[8|] Regards Frank [/quote] I irony of this statement, from this person, makes for a great morning belly laugh. I hope others read and see it as well, as a great big belly laugh is a great way to start the morning.
Posted on: 9/6/2012 5:03 AM by Author "Arbo" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11219298

RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum
[quote]ORIGINAL: littlecrankshaf Well since you have it all figured out...who's the haters and what is it they hate??? [/quote] Sorry, I'm not a teacher. Have a great night.
Posted on: 9/5/2012 7:32 PM by Author "Arbo" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11218962

RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum
[quote]ORIGINAL: littlecrankshaf Dang Arbo, I thought you may have heeded the advice of one of your good friends and decided to let this thread go... I am very disappointed to see you come back in here and cast aspersions of "haters" again... Same song...different day! Can't you see that is the actual problem??? [/quote] I understand your see a problem that does not exist
Posted on: 9/5/2012 1:36 PM by Author "Arbo" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11218566

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[quote]ORIGINAL: Ladyflyer Isn't true ? What isn't true ? The" arbotrary" part ? The fact is , it certainly [i]appears [/i]arbitray to many of us . That part is in fact TRUE . [/quote] The haters are going to hate, no matter the reality of the situation.
Posted on: 9/5/2012 10:33 AM by Author "Arbo" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11218384

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[quote]ORIGINAL: bradpaul Hey Arbo I just noticed that every new moderator but you had a nice welcome post from Dave on the forum? [/quote] Just because it's not where you can see it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Though I wonder how much time you spent looking for something like that to try and make a mountain out of.
Posted on: 8/29/2012 3:44 PM by Author "Arbo" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11210735

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[quote]ORIGINAL: littlecrankshaf Ok Arbo, What you don't understand is that I understand you got caught up in the crossfire. That crossfire is inevitable in situations where divisiveness is a constant. That divisiveness was a simple proposition of AMA's (who ever that is) intent to utilize a [b]discussion[/b] forum for the main purpose to project a positive image of itself
Posted on: 8/29/2012 11:30 AM by Author "Arbo" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11210460

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[quote]ORIGINAL: littlecrankshaf Hey, ain't it about time for somebody to make another post about beating a dead horse???[:D] [/quote] Ah, copying words. But they apply to you. As it has been shown again and again, and the forum is still open where you can see posts that disagree with AMA policy still there. So it was never about what was liked or not liked, it was about the rules. Pure and simple. If you (or anyone else) was unable or unwilling to follow them, that is the fault of that individual alone.
Posted on: 8/29/2012 9:16 AM by Author "Arbo" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11210311

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[quote]ORIGINAL: littlecrankshaf I might believe that... [b]but [/b]when I look at how you responded to another AMA forum site when actions were taken against you...I am going to stay with my first blush... [/quote] Oh be honest, you aren't going to let even a tiny bit of reality enter your brain and thus taint your preconceived notions.
Posted on: 8/29/2012 9:07 AM by Author "Arbo" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11210299

RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum
[quote]ORIGINAL: littlecrankshaf I suspect that if you had not been a moderator there you would be saying something very similar to what everyone else has been saying...[:D] [/quote] And your suspicions would be incorrect.
Posted on: 8/29/2012 9:01 AM by Author "Arbo" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11210293

RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum
[quote]ORIGINAL: littlecrankshaf The rules at the AMA site could have been rendered into just one; If we (anyone of us) don't like what you post we will remove it and if you do that enough we will ban you... That just about covers it. [/quote] Again, the above statement is about the furthest from the truth one can get. Repeating it doesn't make it true.
Posted on: 8/29/2012 8:30 AM by Author "Arbo" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11210248

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[quote]ORIGINAL: jerrysu29 That's to bad what are those 10 poor soles going to do know. AMA may want to increase Security at Muncie. Goodbye [/quote] Considering the level of threats and demands they received over a simple forum, that might be a good idea on their part.
Posted on: 8/28/2012 5:07 PM by Author "Arbo" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11209632

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[quote]ORIGINAL: Hossfly As for me, I do not care to bow down to those that want everything to be dancing around the posies. That "....let's just kiss..." attitude has brought this whole country to its knees. I was, is and will be one that can speak his piece. [/quote] As I said, some think they 'own' part of the forum so they should be allowed to say whatever they want, and some think the the above statement, either way, in the end, it is a disreguard for following the rules. And it is never *their* fault, and they never did anything *wrong*. Yep.
Posted on: 8/28/2012 1:40 PM by Author "Arbo" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11209372

RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum
[quote]ORIGINAL: phlpsfrnk You are correct; I have reread my posts here and believe I have been reasonable, factual and civil in my responses and requests. The best I’ve gotten in return has been sarcasm and ridicule which is SOP when he has ever dealt with me. Here's an example of a thread that he participated in, moderated and made off topic posts and again locked without reason given; http://www.modelaircraft.org/forums/tm.aspx?m=14066 Please note that he has never shown any factual evidence or provided examples of wrong doing on my part and I seriously doubt that he can. Until he does I’m done. Regards Frank [/quote] Yes, you used the desire, stated by Jim Rice, to close down the forum due to the lack of civil behavior (as he had administrator/moderator access as well). There is a huge irony in all of that, considering who he considered to be those that were causing all the 'trouble'. Stuff where you broke the rules and required moderation: 1) Attacks on Kidepoxy 2) "I also agree with Brad that moderators should not moderate threads they participate in. I hope the moderation I’ve already seen here was done by a third (uninvolved) moderator." Removed because the AMA President said point blank, discussion of the moderation was not a topic for the public forum, to use PM's and other methods. This was a recurring theme by you, broking at least dozens of times. Including one where you referred to the other moderator as a 'brown nose'. 3) you often responded to others and went on rants about their 'lack of comprehension', again, against the rules. 4) You quite often reposted messages that were removed due to rules violations. 5) you went on a rampage about how the leader members were 'hiding' stuff, insisting that sub form needed to be open to the public, just about always crossing the lines of the rules in terms of negativity put forth, and yet again, when messages were removed, you continuiously reposted them anway, with a total disreguard for the rules. I could go on, but I think this makes the point towards you statement that you 'never did wrong'.... TheEdge, how is a quick post here and there wasting of any more time than the posts you have made so far?
Posted on: 8/28/2012 11:02 AM by Author "Arbo" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11209174