RE: NEW H9 P51 Mustang 60 ARF
I’m been meaning to do a write-up on this bird for a while. So here we go. This is a very nice airplane with lots of new upgrades from Hangar 9. The Pros: - New all metal retracts. As far as I’m concerned, these are the best retracts I’ve ever seen. All aluminum construction with working struts to absorb any hard landings. These retracts are so strong, I believe you could destroy the airplane and the retracts would be in perfect working order. No more messing around with the mechanical retracts. Simply install the servos and drop them in. They are TOP-NOTCH! - The new printed covering is very nice. I had almost no wrinkles in mine. The scale detail with this covering is unbelievable. See below in the Cons. - The overall color scheme is also very nice. - The tail surface is air foiled and very scale. - Has a scale tail wheel that looks very nice. See the Cons. - This is the first H9 mustang that was designed to be flown with either Glow, Gas, or Electric. It has a nice large hatch on top that is perfect for swapping out batteries. In my case, I found it was nice for plugging up all the servo wires while the airplane is in the upright position. - The flaps are very scale and very nice on the bird. However, it I had my choice, I would have designed it with just a single flap servo instead of two. Just to save weight. Otherwise, these are top notch Flaps. - The fit and finish of the bird is also Top-Notch. Everything just looks RIGHT and Scale! - The instructions are also very good and detailed. The Cons: - While the covering is very nice and I placed this in the Pro category, the down side of having this printed covering is that if you tear your coving, a simple patch is not easy. You would need to buy the covering from H9 and it’s terribly expensive. If you are hard on an airplane and need to make frequent covering repairs, this is probably not the plane for you. - While the tail wheel is nice and scale, it’s a little on the flimsy side. I’ve not had any issues with mine, but it is a little wobbly and I would like for it to be stronger. Also, I had a hard time getting the tail wheel installed in the small access through the fuselage. - The wood. What can I say, the wood is not Top Notch. I found the wood and glue joints to be weak. During the build I ended up breaking a few of the smaller access panels and such due having weak glue joints and poor wood. In fact, after approximately by 20th flight with a Saito 125, the entire firewall started separating!!! This was very scary. I was able to re-epoxy the firewall and have not had any issues since. This might have just been a fluke, but I was very disappointed. I’ve owned many Hangar 9 airplanes and have flow the CRUD out of them and I’ve never had this issue with any them. - The cowling is very nice and scale, however I would prefer the design like the TopFlite. TopFlite has the half cowling, where the bottom half is removable and the top half is actually part of the fuselage. The TopFlite design just looks better and more scale as it has smoother lines. Also, you can remove the TopFlite cowling to work on the motor without having to remove the prop and muffler. With the H9, you have to remove all these items to work on the motor. Flight summary: - This bird flys just like the scale bird. Heavy! She has a heavy wing loading and you must continue to FLY this bird at all times. Never attempt to slow her down and GLIDE her. This is not like most of the earlier H9 birds that are light and can be flown like a sport plane. This is NOT a sport plane. If you attempt to use too much elevator at slow speeds, or attempt to glide her in on a landing without power, or yank violently on the elevator at any speeds, she WILL STALL. This is exactly what the real airplane will do. She is not a glider. Most of the people who crash this plane simply treat it like a light sport plane and get her going too slow and she stalls and crashes. When I fly this plane I’m always very aware of the wing loading and therefore I never put her into a situation where she slows down too much. On landing, you must keep a small amount of power on all the way in until just before touchdown. You must fly it in all the way. If you are a pilot that is not proficient in making faster, power on landing, this bird could be a bit too much for you. Once she’s in the air, she flies just like any airplane and does wonderful scale maneuvers. Just remember not to pull aggressively on the elevator. One interesting finding, she will do an accelerated stall just like the real plane. When she does stall, it’s fairly uneventful, just drops straight down and pulls out as soon as some speed is achieved. - Ground handling is very stable with those all metal retracts. No wobble like most birds with retracts. With a full tank of fuel she can be a touch nose heavy when on the ground. Just remember to use a little up elevator until the speeds are up so she doesn’t try to nose over, especially on grass. - The bird just looks GREAT in the air. As scale looking as any mustang I’ve ever seen. - I used the Saito 125 with an APC 15X8 and 15% nitro. She has plenty of speed and good vertical. See my attached YouTube video. http://youtu.be/YhsMoj3RMEY.. TopFlite Vs. H9: - I debated this for a long time and ended up going with the H9 because of the retracts and option to go electric with the H9 would be easier, due to the top hatch. I think they are both excellent airplanes. Both have some issues. I’ve never flown the TopFlite, so I can’t really say how it flies. Well there’s my 2 cents worth. Enjoy!
Posted on: 9/2/2012 7:45 PM by Author "BreakingPoint" in the forum "RC Warbirds and Warplanes"
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RE: NEW H9 P51 Mustang 60 ARF
I stand corrected. In that case, give it a try. It will have gobbs of power. Should fly nice.
Posted on: 9/1/2012 4:48 PM by Author "BreakingPoint" in the forum "RC Warbirds and Warplanes"
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RE: NEW H9 P51 Mustang 60 ARF
The DLE 20 is a very nice motor. My only concern would be the CG with that motor. I have a saito 125 in mine and it balances perfectly. I think with the dle you would come in too nose heavy. Otherwise it would be a good motor for it. I really enjoy mine. I think both the hangar 9 and the top flite are both great airplanes that have their share of issues. What plane doesn't.
Posted on: 9/1/2012 11:52 AM by Author "BreakingPoint" in the forum "RC Warbirds and Warplanes"
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RE: NEW H9 P51 Mustang 60 ARF
Well, the firewall broke loose on mine this past weekend. Was flying and came in for a landing and noticed the entire front half hangin down. The firewall broke loose, nearly in half. I quess the glue they are using is not good stuff. I epoxed it back together and am waiting to take it out for a test flight. By the way, here is a video of her, taken a few months ago. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhsMoj3RMEY&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Posted on: 7/10/2012 2:26 PM by Author "BreakingPoint" in the forum "RC Warbirds and Warplanes"
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RE: NARCA (Harvest) C40 Race - April 28
20k was on 5% nitro. Boy, I'm ready to kick the tires and lite the fire!!
Posted on: 4/27/2012 6:55 AM by Author "BreakingPoint" in the forum "Club 40"
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RE: NARCA (Harvest) C40 Race - April 28
Hey, all you old bastards! I'll be there Saturday. Just got my motor back from Thunder Tiger Racing Inc.. They put a titanium piston, rod, and bearings. She now turns a 9x8 prop @20k. Get ready to get passed!! Smith
Posted on: 4/26/2012 6:25 PM by Author "BreakingPoint" in the forum "Club 40"
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RE: NEW H9 P51 Mustang 60 ARF
One of the ones I tried was the JR791 and although it was nearly the same size as the RT88, the height was off just a little and wouldn't fit. There is almost no room for the servo to be off in there. I think those Rt88's must have been specifically designed for these retracts.
Posted on: 3/15/2012 6:17 AM by Author "BreakingPoint" in the forum "RC Warbirds and Warplanes"
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RE: NEW H9 P51 Mustang 60 ARF
I recommend using the ones it recommends. I had two different brands of nice retract servos and neither one fit due to the very small area. I ended up buying the RT88's and they fit perfectly. Some other servos might fit, but not sure. The RT88 servos seem to have plenty of power in my plane on 6 volts.
Posted on: 3/14/2012 7:46 PM by Author "BreakingPoint" in the forum "RC Warbirds and Warplanes"
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RE: NEW H9 P51 Mustang 60 ARF
I recommend using the ones it recommends. I had two different brands of nice retract servos and neither one fit due to the very small area. I ended up buying the RT88's and they fit perfectly. Some other servos might fit, but not sure. The RT88 servos seem to have plenty of power in my plane on 6 volts.
Posted on: 3/14/2012 7:45 PM by Author "BreakingPoint" in the forum "RC Warbirds and Warplanes"
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RE: NEW H9 P51 Mustang 60 ARF
What CG are you guys using on your birds? Just flew mine for the first time today and it seemed to fly nose heavy. Balanced mine per the manual at 4.75 inches CG. She flew fine in the air,however the landings were extremely hot, even with full flaps. It's been my experience that when they land this hot, it normally indicates a nose heavy plane. Just wondering if anyone has tried flying with less nose weight. Maybe over 5 inches back? Mine is setup with a saito 125 and weighs in dry at 9.5lbs. I currently have the battery all the way forward next to the fuel tank. Thanks.
Posted on: 3/4/2012 4:45 PM by Author "BreakingPoint" in the forum "RC Warbirds and Warplanes"
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RE: Huntsville C-40 race
Yo yo yo.. I be dere saturdie! Aaron
Posted on: 11/17/2011 7:48 PM by Author "BreakingPoint" in the forum "Club 40"
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RE: Club 40 Race Nashville, Tennessee
Who won?
Posted on: 7/24/2011 7:16 AM by Author "BreakingPoint" in the forum "Club 40"
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RE: Huntsville RCRC C40 Race June 25
That John guys just keeps on finflding a way to get to the top and the end of the day. I even put 1lb of lead in is plane and he still won! I guess I'll try slipping him 2lbs next time. [:)]
Posted on: 6/28/2011 10:22 AM by Author "BreakingPoint" in the forum "Club 40"
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RE: Huntsville RCRC C40 Race June 25
Thanks Tim, Allen, John, and everyone that helped out. We had some great racing and it was a blast. Although, I don't really like that John guy who finishes first place. How evil of him![;)]. I look forward to the next race. Aaron
Posted on: 6/27/2011 4:52 PM by Author "BreakingPoint" in the forum "Club 40"
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RE: Huntsville RCRC C40 Race June 25
I'll bring some chips and dip. However ill leave the whips n chains at home. [;)]
Posted on: 6/23/2011 11:20 AM by Author "BreakingPoint" in the forum "Club 40"
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RE: Huntsville RCRC C40 Race June 25
I'll be there. I have my new plane ready to go, fully loaded with C4 to enhance the effects of any air to air contact!! What can I bring, food wise? What are we still needing? I'll be free Friday afternoon if anyone needs help setting up the pylons. Aaron
Posted on: 6/23/2011 7:00 AM by Author "BreakingPoint" in the forum "Club 40"
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RE: Birmingham RC /Club 40 RACE May 7,2011
I'll be there this Saturday. I've got ole-yeller ready to go. let's burn some nitro! Aaron
Posted on: 5/5/2011 8:48 AM by Author "BreakingPoint" in the forum "Club 40"
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RE: NARCA/ Harvest, Al Club 40 April 30,2011
I know I won't be able to make it to the race. We are having to leave town to find power. Aaron
Posted on: 4/28/2011 3:30 PM by Author "BreakingPoint" in the forum "Club 40"
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RE: NARCA/ Harvest, Al Club 40 April 30,2011
Did anyone hear that sonic-boom late yesterday? It was my sky-raider. [X(] Aaron
Posted on: 4/25/2011 2:36 PM by Author "BreakingPoint" in the forum "Club 40"
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RE: Painting over ultra cote?
Thanks for the replys. This helps a lot. I'll give it a try. I think I'll do some test painting on an older plane first to get the practice. My greatest concern was that wrinkles would not be removable later, but it sounds like this is not an issue. Thanks again.
Posted on: 4/21/2011 6:17 AM by Author "BreakingPoint" in the forum "RC Warbirds and Warplanes"
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RE: Painting over ultra cote?
Thanks for the replys. One more question. How did you prep the covering for paint? Did you lightly sand the covering first? Thanks.
Posted on: 4/20/2011 3:03 PM by Author "BreakingPoint" in the forum "RC Warbirds and Warplanes"
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Painting over ultra cote?
A painting question for you experienced builders out there. I have a hangar 9 spitfire covered in ultra cote covering that is too shining for my liking. I'm thinking about painting over the top of the ultracote with some type of clear / dull paint. Has anyone tried doing this?  Are there any bad side effects of painting over ultra cote, like issues with wrinkling of the covering and then not being able to use a heat gun to remove the wrinkles?   I'm just looking for any advice on this method.  Thanks. 
Posted on: 4/20/2011 1:19 PM by Author "BreakingPoint" in the forum "RC Warbirds and Warplanes"
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RE: NARCA/ Harvest, Al Club 40 April 30,2011
Guys- I'll be there. Can't wait to do some practice.
Posted on: 4/1/2011 7:47 AM by Author "BreakingPoint" in the forum "Club 40"
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RE: NARCA/ Harvest, Al Club 40 April 30,2011
Tim- I should be able to make it out on Saturday for some practice. I have something going that morning, but I will try to be there around 1:00, if you are still planning to be there. Aaron
Posted on: 3/31/2011 11:58 AM by Author "BreakingPoint" in the forum "Club 40"
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RE: NARCA/ Harvest, Al Club 40 April 30,2011
Count me in for the April 30th race. I can already smell the nitro burning. Aaron
Posted on: 3/25/2011 6:30 PM by Author "BreakingPoint" in the forum "Club 40"
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RE: New TT Pro 40 prop data
Regarding props, here is what I've discovered. Guys are winning with a wide range of props. Anything from a 10X5, 10X6, 9X6, 9.5X6, etc... While all of the props are producing different rpms, I'm just not seeing any difference in race speeds. I've tried many different props and had another plane to race (the control for the test) and no matter what prop I used, my plane seems to always run the same speed when compared to the other test plane in the air. There may be some very minor differences in speed, however I believe any advantage one prop may have in the straight away, will give it up in the turns, where a different prop might pull better out of a turn but be slightly slower in the straights, etc. It is my opinion, for what that's worth[:D], that these club 40 planes have enough drag at race speeds that there is no material difference in speed between props. I know for a fact that you can play around with different props on a real clean plane, like a Q500 and get different speeds, however, I really believe that the thick wing on the SRII keeps everyone equal. In fact, I love the SRII for that reason. For example, I’ve seen the same speed (again using a test / control plane to race in the air for comparison) when I use a 10X6 apc or a 9X9 apc. Now, the 9X6 turns considerably more rpms, maybe 3K more, which should translate into around 17 mph faster, which would be VERY obvious in the air. However, I see NO difference what’s so ever using that prop when racing another plane in the air. So, I really think that the thick wing of this plane doesn’t allow a prop advantage. This is my low-tech analysis of props and speed..
Posted on: 3/2/2011 6:40 PM by Author "BreakingPoint" in the forum "Club 40"
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RE: First race of 2011: Alabaster,Al March 12th- BE THERE!!!
Sorry guys, I won't be able to make it to the Alabaster race. Wish I could. I'm itching to do some racing. I'll make it to the next race for sure. Have fun!! Aaron
Posted on: 3/2/2011 6:10 PM by Author "BreakingPoint" in the forum "Club 40"
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RE: Club 40 Race in Huntsville, AL
Let me try that again. Timed out on me. [:@]
Posted on: 11/25/2010 10:45 PM by Author "BreakingPoint" in the forum "Club 40"
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RE: Club 40 Race in Huntsville, AL
More pics in larger size.
Posted on: 11/25/2010 10:41 PM by Author "BreakingPoint" in the forum "Club 40"
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RE: Club 40 Race in Huntsville, AL
And now for some pics.
Posted on: 11/25/2010 10:35 PM by Author "BreakingPoint" in the forum "Club 40"
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