RE: 40% 260 on a Diet
[quote]ORIGINAL: 260 Man Bob, I'm glad we posted the information..........Who cares what others think... My thoughts are if they dont pay your bills, or sleep with you, the heck with them.....you got enough friends already......... Job well done my friend.........job well done....... Thanks for teaching me and many others........... George [/quote] George, thats not really how you think. I've only met you a couple of times but you, just like Bob, are one of the truely gracious people. Most want to be like you, and those that dont, should. Great job guys and thanks for posting, its helped me a lot. Roger
Posted on: 3/21/2007 8:29 AM by Author "Desertrat" in the forum "Carden Aircraft"
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RE: New Airspace Control Score Discussion
Judging seminars start soon... I would like to see some consistency between the regions. The whole "well, the rules are ambiguous so I am going to judge it like this" aint gonna cut it in the long run. It will end up like the presentation score and die an agonizing death. I agree with what someone said earlier, if you judge it per manuever, you end up with double jeopardy. I interpret the rule as saying you need to judge it based in the way the entire pattern is flown. For instance, lets say you put that humpty this side of the far end of the box, and the next 3 manuevers are askew because the whole pattern would have flown better had the humpty been at the far end... the next three manuevers are now flown at the optimal position for judging based on the now skewed pattern - how do you downgrade that? Its going to be judges interpretation, and like Dean said, as long as the best pilot gets the best score it wont matter too much. I worry with this kind of rule, however, that there will be inconsistency from region to region based on how each region interprets it and teaches at thier judging seminar. Going to lead to some arguments at inter-region contests for sure - arguments are not good for membership, and if an ambiguous inconsistent rule cost you a contest... well....
Posted on: 1/21/2007 10:32 AM by Author "Desertrat" in the forum "IMAC"
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RE: 40% 260 on a Diet
[quote]ORIGINAL: 260 Man Roger, The wings have not been done as of yet. The stabs pattern were drawn (laid up) on the foam and then cut (drilled) out. There was no pre defined pattern... [/quote] Thanks George, looking forward to seeing what you guys do with the wings. Stay warm!
Posted on: 1/14/2007 9:27 PM by Author "Desertrat" in the forum "Carden Aircraft"
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RE: 40% 260 on a Diet
Hey George, do you have any more pictures of what you guys did to lighten up the wings and stabs? What did you use to pattern out the drill holes on the stabs? Roger
Posted on: 1/12/2007 8:20 AM by Author "Desertrat" in the forum "Carden Aircraft"
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RE: 40% 260 on a Diet
[sm=bananahead.gif] You guys crack me up. Good luck with the project! oh... and Bob, I could use a few pointers to pull weight off of high density sheeted foam, could you post up a few more pictures of your stabs and wings? (Jason knows what I need - prototype 2 needs a diet and is about to go in the bag) Roger
Posted on: 1/5/2007 8:39 AM by Author "Desertrat" in the forum "Carden Aircraft"
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RE: Old Dude Bias
DA 100. May or may not be the most powerful, but it will git 'er done without any hicups and you cant beat the customer service. I'm kinda partial to this one http://www.johnklattairshows.com/ ... I suppose I spent too much time in the ANG.
Posted on: 10/5/2006 7:33 AM by Author "Desertrat" in the forum "Giant Scale Aircraft - 3D & Aerobatic"
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RE: Old Dude Bias
313th = The folks that flight check your airplanes when Boeing and Rockwell get done with them. Just a bunch of old KC-135 (A,D,E,R,T,R/T) guys that like to preflight. I like that Extra too :) Here's the latest out of my shop:
Posted on: 10/3/2006 7:31 AM by Author "Desertrat" in the forum "Giant Scale Aircraft - 3D & Aerobatic"
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RE: Old Dude Bias
Hey Toad, next time you're in San Antonio dropping off a depot or block 40, stop by and say hi - Roger at the 313th
Posted on: 10/2/2006 10:21 PM by Author "Desertrat" in the forum "Giant Scale Aircraft - 3D & Aerobatic"
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RE: Fromeco Classic IMAC- Pre Registration
I cant wait! I am in the throes of withdrawals right now. Give Phil a break George, let him go to Tucson and bring home some big hardware b4 you give him grief to move up! Roger
Posted on: 8/4/2006 7:32 AM by Author "Desertrat" in the forum "IMAC"
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RE: Rudder Pull-Pull on 80" H9 Cap 232 Question?
Thats the old Nelson cable attach fitting. The first two pictures look correct, run the cable through then make a small loop instead of a knot, the loop will be larger than the small hole in the front. Pull the loop back into the fitting. There should be a 4-40 bolt that goes in and jams the loop up against the front of the fitting - The cable will not come out of the hole. Place your clevis or ball link (4-40 size) just like any other 4-40 bolt. Roger
Posted on: 6/1/2006 7:32 AM by Author "Desertrat" in the forum "Giant Scale Aircraft - 3D & Aerobatic"
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RE: Intermediate sequence?
Into the circle. Never polits choice. The aresti shows the direction with an arrow pointing into the circle or out. Roger
Posted on: 2/21/2006 9:35 PM by Author "Desertrat" in the forum "IMAC"
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RE: I WANT TO SEE YOUR TRAILER PICS!!!
Solar panel charges 12v deep cycle, 12 volt banana jacks everywhere. Subfloor for storage of chargers and other stuff. E-track allows for a removable shelf across middle.
Posted on: 1/15/2006 9:08 PM by Author "Desertrat" in the forum "Giant Scale Aircraft - 3D & Aerobatic"
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RE: Powerbox-type DPSI Iso thingy Hype?
Simply put: 1. Short circuit protection. If a servo goes bust or a wire gets crimped, its nice to know it wont cost you the airplane. 2. Cleans up dual battery installations. Provides dual battery redundancy to a single reciever setup. 3. In the case of the DPSI Twin (Emcotec), provides true receiver redundancy over all channels. 4. Provides low voltage warning (both audible and visible depending on brand) 5. Amplifies and filters rx signal. (good for multiple long servo leads) 6. Provides multiple outputs per channel and servo matching without the need for additional wyes/matchboxes. Summary. Useful in a 40%. Questionable usefuleness in 35%, but some gain to be had. Useless in aircraft smaller than 33%. Cost is about the same as a second receiver - certainly not as expensive as "another aircraft". Roger
Posted on: 11/28/2005 8:16 AM by Author "Desertrat" in the forum "Giant Scale Aircraft - 3D & Aerobatic"
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RE: 2006 Sequences?
[quote]ORIGINAL: Diablo-RCU If IMAC participation is down, there are more than a few reasons why. Extraordinary gasoline prices last Summer made traveling to a contest very expensive. If you're hauling a trailer for a 40% plane or two, even more expensive. A tank of gas for a 40% plane costs about $2. It's about the same cost as flying something with a Moki 2.10. [/quote] The trailering I'll buy into. $2 for a 40% tank of gas - thats an exaggeration. Even worse comparing $2.50-$3.00/gal pump gas to $10.00-$18.00/gal alcohol/nitro. C'mon man, when you exaggerate that bad you lose credibility. Now to your point: IMAC participation was not down. However, most people just went to one contest. I personally only made 3 last year, biggest reason I didnt make more is the time factor involved. It hurts to leave work on friday, hook up and drive all night, get up early to fly on Saturday, have a small amount of fun while sweating and studying unknowns sat night, fly a little on sunday, smile and clap then haul butt home so you can be dog dead tired at work monday morning, wondering how bad your wife is going to yell at you about not mowing the grass! And this is when it goes smooth. I know there are folks here who have gotten up to really bad weather on saturday after driving all night and asked yourself the question - "Is it really worth it?" Size matters. Nobody can truely argue that small airplanes are competetive. If you are serious about IMAC, you will have to get a big airplane eventually if you want to be competetive. Dick I agree with everything you say, but the reality is the general majority of the membership really does not want to change the format. And I understand to a degree because IMAC was founded on that principle that there would be no restrictions on the aircraft size. As long as folks continue to show up to enough contests, there will be no format change. Here in South Central, the trend has been more and bigger contests. The good news is Pattern offers a format with size restrictions - Interestingly, the cost is very similar when you get to the upper more competetive classes - hmm. Roger
Posted on: 11/12/2005 10:53 AM by Author "Desertrat" in the forum "IMAC"
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RE: Canister coupler options???
[quote]ORIGINAL: Badge Sorry if this isn't a high tech hobby related product but I use 1/8" thick automotive hosing for all my connections along with automotive clamps never had a single problem and its a hell of a lot cheaper then any other option and much better suited to our applications than this other crap out there. [/quote] Mike, could you be just a little more specific on what hose you are using? Radiator/heater hose? Sounds like a great idea. Roger
Posted on: 10/15/2005 10:33 AM by Author "Desertrat" in the forum "Giant Scale Aircraft - 3D & Aerobatic"
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RE: Cannister Installation for Radio Craft 43% ?
I dont have pictures of mine, but its very straight forward. Call DA, they know the exact drop you need on the headers. They also sell the plywood cannister mounts, makes it really easy. There should be a hole already in the firewall under the motor mount. Put the headers on, fit the cannisters into the ply mount, then mark the placement and glue it in. Then all you have to do is seal up the back of the motor box behind the wing tube (I used light ply), and cut some exit holes on the bottom of the fuse for cooling. Roger
Posted on: 9/29/2005 11:09 PM by Author "Desertrat" in the forum "IMAC"
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RE: 2005 Tucson Shootout stories and write-up
[quote]ORIGINAL: aresti2004 I'm curious about all this "practice" stuff. What exactly is it and why do people do it? Isn't it more fair to simply show up and demonstrate your skills rather than make it a contest about who practiced the most?? That's the theory I'm working on at least. [sm=drowning.gif] [/quote] I'm an unwilling subscriber to this theory, better for your statistical pool to test it out... Every time I have decided to go practice for the last month and a half, something has come up... first was pnuemonia (really), then then rain, then work, then Hurricane Rita (not that it hit us, but it scared my boss so I had to work), got out yesterday, and thank goodness, lots of kinks to work out of the airplane... and spiderwebs. I'm not leaving till Sunday, get there Monday am. I'm jealous of you guys that can bug out so soon. Save me a spot Bill! Roger
Posted on: 9/29/2005 7:30 PM by Author "Desertrat" in the forum "IMAC"
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RE: DA-150 w/ std muffler owners: how to?
Hey Ryan. JB Weld will hold up to the temp, but it doesnt last very long - I've tried it, worked great for about ten runs then it started to crack and break off. Are you trying to use it to fix the damage? if so, consider silver solder, its pretty easy to use and it <will> hold up. I've been using high temp silicone RTV instead of a gasket - the ultra copper mentioned earlier works just as well - and [b] High Temp [/b] Red loctite (there is a separate strong hold red loctite) - you'll find it at any auto parts store, its for header bolts and exhausts. This is the same setup I use on my car - I've never had an issue on either the car or the airplane. You do have to torch the bolts to get them out tho, the hi temp red holds just as strong as the hi strength red loctite. Good luck man. Roger Edit: Hey man I just looked at Katrina's track... If you need to evac, we got room for you here. Y'all be careful out there, I hope this one is all hype.
Posted on: 8/28/2005 9:12 AM by Author "Desertrat" in the forum "Giant Scale Aircraft - 3D & Aerobatic"
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RE: St. Louis, IMAC Tournament, Sept 17-18
Hey Jeff! congrats on the promo man! I gotta make it up there for one of your contests, cant make this one, but maybe your next Spring event. Gimme a good heads up when you set a date for it. Roger
Posted on: 8/21/2005 10:50 PM by Author "Desertrat" in the forum "IMAC"
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RE: ROTO 25...yeah or nay?
I've got about 10 gallons through mine now - piped. Never had a deadstick, engine runs flawlessly. One ignition problem early in life was solved quickly and professionally by the fine folks at RCS. Dont have any first hand numbers on the MVVS to compare, but I can say my Roto 25 is pulling 8800 rpm static on a Mezjlik 18x8 on a KS pipe, 1200ft MSL, 93 degrees F - verified by an optical tach and the tattle tale tach off the ignition. Roger
Posted on: 8/18/2005 8:38 PM by Author "Desertrat" in the forum "Gas Engines"
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RE: Radio Craft 330 Extra ARC
I dont think all the 35%'s were made in Mexico... <shrug> makes no matter. Hey, just out of curiousity, if Harry were to design a new airplane, do you think there would be a market for it? Roger
Posted on: 8/15/2005 8:02 AM by Author "Desertrat" in the forum "IMAC"
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RE: Radio Craft 330 Extra ARC
Ditto what Wayne said. There are differences. For those interested in the RadioCRAFT 40%, these guys are selling them... they didnt even bother to change the scheme. http://www.precisionaerobatics.com/product_item.aspx?prodID=104 Roger
Posted on: 8/5/2005 7:33 AM by Author "Desertrat" in the forum "IMAC"
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RE: Initiating Spin Entry
[quote]ORIGINAL: aresti2004 [quote]ORIGINAL: chipwill IMAC rules state that the nose must drop before rotation starts. Some planes will do this on their own while others like straight wing Edges hang on forever. [/quote] This is not correct. The IMAC rules actually say that the wing must fall in the direction of the intended rotation AS THE NOSE falls. So to say that the nose must fall first is not correct. Ideally it is simultaneous. In fact, if the nose falls prior to the rotation starting that is a downgrade for a forced entry (1 point per 10 degrees). Please see page F&JG-42 for the discussion of this in the rules. [/quote] The often misinterpreted judging quick reference states automatic zero when: [i] Spins - No visible stall, or snap / barrel-roll entry. [/i] Most people equate a "visible stall" as the nose falling, when instead they should be looking for a break when the nose and wing fall together. On aircraft with a light wing loading and a high idle, the nose will not fall much - add a slightly aft CG and its zero city. Very hard to interpret from the judging chair. ...dont ask me how I know. Roger
Posted on: 7/20/2005 9:22 PM by Author "Desertrat" in the forum "IMAC"
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RE: Has anyone received their Evolution 26GT gasser yet ?
[quote]ORIGINAL: RysiuM Sorry, can't confirm that. You may be right - I can't argue. That's what I've been told by all manuals, safety recommendation and common knowledge at my field. I've seen twice Saito 30 breaking the nylon mount - just where the screws go through. I wouldn't like to see that on the engine 5 times bigger. 4-stroke and gassers can shake a lot (I read that actually SAITO 150 vibrates more than most small gassers). I wouldn't risk my life just for 2-3 oz and few bucks. [/quote] They make large nylon mounts specifically for this size engine. All the manuals I've read say to use a mount for the size engine and seldom specify what they should be made of. I've been using them for years, and I still have both hands and my life. I've never had one crack, but I could agree if not drilled or installed properly they can be weakened. Even still, if Nylon bothers you, there are many ways to mount safely at weights less than 8 oz. <snip> You and others have expressed interest to stay on track so I will. <snip> [quote] Wow, 1/2 of 8 oz it is 4 oz - not bad. That's for header + pipe? I may look around for that. I was looking at the MVVS site estimating the weight (3265 = 95g, 3266 = 207g) total 312g = 11.4oz. Adding pipe bracket it will go over 12 oz, where Pits muffler is 5 oz. RysiuM [/quote] KS 1015 pipe is 160g. Mount and header another 50g. 210g overall, or 7.413oz. Probably the best bang for the buck out there roughly $150 all up. Ed Skorpas pipe is 90g, plus 50g for header and mount 140g, 0r 4.942oz. Best weight savings, but a premium cost - roughly $280 all up. In the big scheme of things the extra 2 oz is more than made up for in power, and more of the weight is distrubuted aft where you need it. Certainly shouldnt be overlooked if the model will allow for a clean mount. Roger
Posted on: 7/12/2005 10:52 PM by Author "Desertrat" in the forum "Gas Engines"
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RE: Has anyone received their Evolution 26GT gasser yet ?
I think Rudeboy is a little more realistic... follow me [quote]ORIGINAL: RysiuM Sorry Rudeboy for the confusion. I did this math long time ago before I made a difficult decision between Saito and MVVS. It is now so abvious for me, that I didn't explain properly. ORIGINAL: Rudeboy Why does a Saito 150 need an [b]8 oz[/b] mount? Are you using mild steel beam mounts or something? Any big 2lb or more engine needs strong mount. Cheap nylon stuff will not hold long. I looked at Tower at any solid mount like Dubro shock absorbing (over 8oz) or Great Planes for 1.2 -1.8 (7 oz). Other don't show the weight but if it's less than that it is probably not strong enough. [/quote] "cheap nylon stuff" holds just fine, or you can build your own hardwood mount and still be far less than 8 oz. [quote]ORIGINAL: Rudeboy Why does a Saito 150 need a 22 oz tank for 15 minutes...? Again it is from Saito information website stating a little less than 2 oz per minute WOT. I assumed 75% of that adding 2-4 oz for the fuel tank alone. My 11 oz tank weights 12 oz. ORIGINAL: Rudeboy Are you running 40% nitro through it in a pylon racer at WOT all the time? Mine does perfectly fine on a 14 oz tank for an aerobatic flight routine (10% fuel)... From RCFAQ database where SAITO 150 turns 17 inch prop at 8600 rpm, you need full throttle a lot flying 3D with 11.5 lb plane. I know, because I fly it with 18 inch prop and it needs over 8k rpm to pull out of hover. [/quote] a 17x?? a 17x10, a 17x12? You're turning an 18x ?? 6? 8? and getting what 8000, maybe 8500 RPM? Pitch makes a difference. Show me the video of your MVVS pulling your 11.5lb plane out of a hover, I think you might be exaggerating a tad. [quote]ORIGINAL: Rudeboy The installed weight of an MVVS 1.6 is definitely more than that of a Saito 150... it may not be much more depending on the tanks and batteries you use, but it will be more. The great benefit of MVVS is that I can have small fuel tank at CG far away from the engine. On Saito unless you install fuel pump the tank should be close to the engine. And because the tank is big it changes the total weight and the ballancing of the plane during the flight. Kind of PITA. ORIGINAL: Rudeboy Now, the MVVS on a tuned pipe is a different thing: it really comes to life on a pipe, and becomes a hell of a lot stronger than that Saito 150... on a pipe it turns 18" props with ease, while a 17x8 is about as far as you can go with the Saito in any case. I didn't go with tuned pipe because the pipe is 8 oz heavier than the can muffler. I wanted to be lighter than more powerfull. I hope this explains and clears the confusion. RysiuM [/quote] Here I think both of you are a little misinformed. First, even on a pipe, I think the MVVS might actually come close to the performance of a Saito 150, but I dont think exceed. If you think turning an 18x8 at 9000 rpm is a lot of power think again. Thats a hover prop, with no bite, so for good pull out it needs to be in the 11-12000 range. The gassers just cant do it. What does the Saito turn that 17x8 at? oh yeah, 11000 rpm.... put them on the same airplane, and the glow will outperform the gas by a wide margin 100% of the time. Lets not exaggerate that, I hate for people to take the small gas engines home expecting the world and getting really pissed they dont get the performance they "read in the internet". Next on the tuned pipe weight... The KS 1015 pipe with a custom header weighs in at 8 oz total! and the Ed Skorpa CF pipes are about 1/2 that.... :rolleyes: Roger
Posted on: 7/12/2005 7:56 AM by Author "Desertrat" in the forum "Gas Engines"
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RE: Airplanes Stolen
Man that bites Duane, what a great "welcome home". Geeze I cant believe what people do sometimes. You're right tho, that shade shift vinyl will be easy to spot if everyone keeps an eye out. I sure will. Good luck finding them, and if I come across them I'll sure let you know. Roger
Posted on: 7/9/2005 8:18 PM by Author "Desertrat" in the forum "Giant Scale Aircraft - 3D & Aerobatic"
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RE: UAV INFO
FlyinTiger Hey next time you bring an airplane down to BASC for block 40 or depot (if you get the opportunity between now and october), stop by and talk to me, I'm in the 313th. Roger
Posted on: 7/5/2005 8:01 AM by Author "Desertrat" in the forum "Giant Scale Aircraft - 3D & Aerobatic"
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RE: Roto, Zenoh, MVVS or Saito ??
Bruce, I'm running a 2200Mah regulated to 5.5v, could get away with a smaller pack (1000Mah), but this is all I had on hand - the instructions say its set up for 4.8v pack, and larger packs may damage it. Roger
Posted on: 6/11/2005 10:35 PM by Author "Desertrat" in the forum "Gas Engines"
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RE: Roto, Zenoh, MVVS or Saito ??
Larry, I'm running a ROTO 25 with a KS pipe in a Precision Models Extra. Its turning a mezjlik 18x8 at 8800 rpm static. The airframe came in at a whopping 8 pounds, and the engine weighs 3 pounds with ignition and battery (LiPo!). 11lbs AUW. Its capable some minor 3D, and it will fly up to the advanced IMAC pattern, no way unlimited, the vertical peters out too much. Its a little peaky, and as it breaks in the mid range has started to deteriorate, but not so much I dont think I can fix it with a different prop or some carb adjustments. Its definately <not> a single rpm engine. Its very smooth, and the response is not different than with a standard muffler. Ive never run it witout the pipe, but most reports say it will turn a 16X12 in the 8000 rpm range. The engine is very smooth, and I'm very happy with it, however I didnt buy it looking for near glow performance, I bought it knowing it would be less capable than a glow engine, built the airframe with the added weight in the nose in mind, and I got exactly what I wanted. That said, some of these small engines can turn the prop close to or equal to the numbers you get on a glow engine, but <none> in this size exceed the capability of the glow engine. The disappointment is in the weight - typically a gas engine is about a pound to 2 pounds heavier than the glow. Doesnt sound like much, but in this size aircraft the performance hit is enormous. For the combination to work for aerobatics, the AUW cannot exceed 11lbs. For 3D, 9lbs is the upper limit. With 3-4 lbs in the engine, you can see the implication - its not easy to do. My hat is off to Dick Hanson who has achieved this with a phenomenal wing loading to boot. The Cunningham Z comes in within an ounce or 2 of all the others (make sure you are comparing apples to apples, ignition and muffler weight are added to some advertisements, and left out of others), cost less, will turn the best rpm, and is going to be the least hassle to install. Hope this helps, Roger
Posted on: 6/11/2005 9:28 AM by Author "Desertrat" in the forum "Gas Engines"
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RE: Emcotec or Powerbox?
[quote]ORIGINAL: aresti2004 [quote]ORIGINAL: epc and on my 40% I use dual Rx. [/quote] This being the case then there is only one product makes sense. The Emcotec DPSI Twin. Your two receivers will be TOTALLY redundant. One will act as primary and the other is the backup. If the primary dies the other takes over with FULL control of ALL servos. Not this half a plane silliness. The really cool part is that for absolute true total redundancy you can have the second RX on a DIFFERENT channel. Keep an extra TX at your feet ready to go on that channel and programmed for that plane and you will FINALLY have true redundancy. [/quote] Ditto. If you are running dual receivers, you are wasting money that would be better spent on cable ties. There is no value added unless you use the DPSI Twin.. Think about it. Roger
Posted on: 6/10/2005 7:22 AM by Author "Desertrat" in the forum "Giant Scale Aircraft - 3D & Aerobatic"
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