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RE: Byron Mustang
Snake, Look at the P-51 documentation I sent you. It discloses there are multiple vertical fin fillets. Because you are not replicating a P-51-XX you can use any of them. Below are four (4) examples. Application to the vertical fin fillet is in either of two methods: 1st method would have you covering the left or right side to a common edge between the opposite side followed by application to other side merged with a butt-cut. Next, sand butt-cut seam on a bias before buffing seam at 45 degrees to what was a seam with two inch wide strip of Kraft paper (brown grocery bag) as if you were buffing the toe of your shoes. 2nd method would have you placing a second piece to form what appears to be an unriveted overlap in the upper portion of the second fillet illustration . It is from the P-51D-15. In this case you will experience less compression when applied from the fin fillet centerline out across the left and right panel surface. This is one of those areas which are either smurged with a bias sanding and buffing or worked through with side of a Sharpie. I looked back at your fin photo above and noticed B used a third fin panel pattern on their glass fuselage. This has actually provided an easier panel shape to break the fillet up into more sections. The fin fillet that most closely matches B's fuselage is the TF. Unfortuantely they didn't include the two place canopy of the Commonwealth to go along with the fin fillet they used. One must also take into consideration model companies are typically dealing with a subject referred to as a survivor. This is to say there is no guarantee the airframe they are using as a guide is as it was when it originally rolled out of the factory for service.
Posted on: 11/20/2009 10:25 AM by Author "FliteMetal"
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RE: Byron Mustang
Elevators were covered in metal as well as fabric. Probably be easier to do it as the metal version at this point.
Posted on: 11/1/2009 12:03 PM by Author "FliteMetal"
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RE: Byron Mustang
I recommend you follow our application directions and begin at the trailing edge and center of the wing. That will permit you to acquire application experience and get a feel for the process of applying to your model before moving to more complicated parts of the airframe. Sorry you were disappointed with your elevator. On most P-51's the elevator is pretty much filled with minimum rib stitiching visible. I had to photograph this P-51 elevator pinking at 180 degrees out from a light source for it to appear clear enough to be seen. [image]http://www.scaleaero.com/Mvc-734f.jpg[/image] You will note you can't see anything but gloss paint over the pinking, no stitch. [image]http://www.scaleaero.com/Mvc-732f.jpg[/image]
Posted on: 10/31/2009 11:20 PM by Author "FliteMetal"
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RE: Byron Mustang
Looks like the solids content of the primer in use is a wee heavy, thick, etc... ; ^) Is it from a rattle can or a touch-up gun?
Posted on: 10/31/2009 4:37 PM by Author "FliteMetal"
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RE: Byron Mustang
You will find the finish of Flite-Metal will be realistic if worked (sanded) off the airframe for the most part on an untra scale project. This permits the finish slurry to match your documentation exactly...and prevent the area being worked on from being over worked. The attributes of the aluminum are best realized when documentation is kept close by as a constant point of reference. After you move to larger areas covered with Flite-Metal it will be less critical for matching because you will have adjacent panels to remind you. This being your first built of this type and degree of attention to detail there are many, many things a seasoned participant takes for granted without thought.... More or less this appears to be a more vertical wall than it really is if documentaiton is kept close by for constant reference. Looking good : )
Posted on: 10/31/2009 10:20 AM by Author "FliteMetal"
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RE: top flite p-51 giant scale build
From the "For What Its Worth" department... Below you will find a graphic showing a sliding canopy mechanism made from brass square tube/channel, smallest ball link and servo driven yoke made from silver soldered clevis rod. [image]http://www.scaleaero.com/scaleaero/movcanopy.gif[/image]
Posted on: 10/28/2009 8:21 AM by Author "FliteMetal"
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RE: Byron Mustang
Yes, the fuel should be filtered from the gas can to assure you do not introduce dirt into the fuel tank within the model. You already have the gasoline stopper conversion installed. Using a fuel dot based system will place a fueling point in a convenient location to preclude having to go inside the cowl each time to fuel the gasoline engine. Be absolutely sure you are using a non silicone based fuel tubing. If it isn't designed explicitly for gasoline it will dissolve. Another issue from time to time is the seam on a plastic fuel tank splitting open from vibration. B&B's fuel tanks are fabulous and provide greater design advantages for many gasoline applications. Their cap threads are similar to medical waste container threads. They are feather edged molded to provide a fine sealing edge for a superior seal.
Posted on: 10/26/2009 10:45 PM by Author "FliteMetal"
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RE: Byron Mustang
That looks great! You were patient and took your time. Continue at that controlled pace and you'll have a fabulous looking P-51.
Posted on: 10/19/2009 7:26 PM by Author "FliteMetal"
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RE: Byron Mustang
Actually, I have never seen any harm come from simply cutting the boost tab's top and bottom edge free from the rudder. A Zona saw is thick enough to provide the proper space at 1/5th scale. If done, and the underlying structure is EPS, expanded polystyrene, I recommend you place a small amount of two part "epoxy" on all cut free and exposed edges of the boost tab and the exposed rudder opposite the tab inner surfaces. This prevents solvents from primer from melting the foam... ; ) minor detail. Your project is moving along a lot faster than a typical one. Remember to look and consider consequence twice before you do something...everything has consequence : )
Posted on: 10/13/2009 9:52 AM by Author "FliteMetal"
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RE: Byron Mustang
Its called customer support... : ^)
Posted on: 10/11/2009 9:45 PM by Author "FliteMetal"
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RE: Byron Mustang
[quote]ORIGINAL: SnakeBT6 Ive read that as well Ed, and the one I picked I didnt like..LOL Sanded and removed the tape and have the rough rudder spars..did some damage to peeling the tape off.. Ill sand these down and round down the edges for subtle spars.. Im going the weather the whole thing, with my airbrush, pastels and a wash followed by a clear..Im pretty interested in seeing how the Flite Metal will look weathered.. [/quote] Kirk Sonnier's P-51C: [image]http://www.scaleaero.com/scaleaero/KirkS51C.jpg[/image] [image]http://www.scaleaero.com/scaleaero/KirkSlftclos51C.jpg[/image] [image]http://www.scaleaero.com/scaleaero/KirkSlefts51c.jpg[/image] Dirty vertical and leading to trailing edge wash.
Posted on: 10/11/2009 7:33 PM by Author "FliteMetal"
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RE: Steampunk Fly In
[quote]ORIGINAL: Equinox RC Ed do they have an email address? Have a few flyers that would like to put it on the calendar![/quote] Why do you want "my" email address? This is not my event.
Posted on: 10/11/2009 4:07 PM by Author "FliteMetal"
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RE: Byron Mustang
I'm assuming you were discussing the paint on the elevator and the rudder... Considering these don't match on any natural aluminum mustang any silver you use will work. Most of them are more gray than silver but with your use of Flite-Metal silver will look brighter. Any automotive silver will do the trick, then wet coat clear the fabric surfaces. I don't know if you are going to vertical weather the airframe or not. If so there will be a wash applied after you apply the Flite-Metal. IMHO you should simply finish this first warbird of yours to a point then after you begin flying in you can add the weathering wash. Ed
Posted on: 10/11/2009 4:03 PM by Author "FliteMetal"
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RE: Byron Mustang
Personally, I would place a second nut on the threads as a jam nut with application of Locktite to assure it does not back off after tightening the two while holding each in a seperate wrench. Do not simply tighten the outside to the inside without restraining the inside nut... :)
Posted on: 10/10/2009 5:04 PM by Author "FliteMetal"
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RE: Byron Mustang
Here comes the wing root panel rear section. Then this leads to the cooling pathway and opening the front of the scoop to scavage the cool air beneath the hot from the engine compartment.
Posted on: 10/7/2009 1:12 PM by Author "FliteMetal"
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RE: Byron Mustang
Pat, I guess before you go further you need to get your hands on a decent 3VU before you remove something you'll regret later. That is the panel at the trailing edge of the wing on both sides. It is squared on the front but the rear is a circle. There is a bulge on the fuselage at that location on the C and D. Here are some references. [image]http://www.scaleaero.com/scaleaero/TS20.jpg[/image] Its not as buldged on the A-36 Apache. The scoop on the 36 is narrower and bottom of fuselage is not as wide. [image]http://www.scaleaero.com/Mvc-713f.jpg[/image] You can easily see in this shot the area of the panel in question is the widest point on the fuselage. [image]http://www.scaleaero.com/Mvc-702f.jpg[/image] Here's a decent shot of the elevator with the boost tab and its connecting rod. Not the leading edge of the boost tab is cuffed by the elevator... the rib stitch tape is easily seen in this same photo. It has pinked edges. [image]http://www.scaleaero.com/Mvc-732f.jpg[/image] Here are some clearer and larger images showing the panel in question. [link=http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/2/7/7/1566772.jpg]Large Painted Indonesian 51[/link] [link=http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/2/9/8/1565892.jpg]Closer large view[/link] This image shows the polished fuselage is discolored by the high temperature of the exhaust dow the side and the rounded panel with its up-turned top can be seen. [link=http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/4/1/5/1557514.jpg]Up close view of side[/link]
Posted on: 10/6/2009 11:10 PM by Author "FliteMetal"
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RE: Byron Mustang
Pat: If you make them faux boost tabs...do not leave them moving at all or you will have flutter. With everything else that's new, its probably wise to simply make them faux by perimeter detail of the tabs and simply make relief cuts along perimeter not cut them free. I am mentioning this after reading you wanted to make your P-51 as authentic as possible. They have fabric rudders. Both the A-36 and P-51C I showed images of above have fabric elevators.
Posted on: 10/6/2009 7:03 AM by Author "FliteMetal"
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RE: Byron Mustang
Pat: Those are "boost" tabs to reduce the resistance to the air flowing over aileron, elevator, & rudder. Trim tabs are static or manually set to a static position to offset aerodynamic error and changes in airframe behavior at different speeds. Boost tabs automatically adjust angle proportionally to the amount of control surface deflection. The tabs are hinged to trailing edge of ailerons, elevators, & rudder and driven from hinge mounts by pull-pull rods. OV-10 Bronco's boost tab shows more mechanical detail than the P-51. Below my daughter Jami pushes up on the right aileron and the boost tab moves in the opposite direction. OV-10's are "horsed around" a lot and require a great deal of boost compensation to offset huge forces on the cockpit control stick. You can clearly see the top boost tab attachment point because it is externally attached. On the P-51 it exits "out of" the elevator and aileron where it passes all the way to the hinge line & attaches to hinge bar. The boost tabs are typically piano hinged to endure tremendous forces impacting them. [image]http://004edc4.netsolhost.com/images/Boostab100percentdeflection.jpg[/image]
Posted on: 10/5/2009 11:00 PM by Author "FliteMetal"
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RE: Byron Mustang
Pat: Did I send you the multiple view line art I sent to Fred? This will come in handy when you get to the point where you are ready to apply your Flite-Metal. These docs will help with hinge line placement. Are you going to make working boost tabs? Its easy to see rudder and elevator boost tabs above. They are yellow...here's how they are attached. [image]http://www.scaleaero.com/scaleaero/TS15.jpg[/image]
Posted on: 10/5/2009 9:46 PM by Author "FliteMetal"
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RE: Byron Mustang
A ball bearing three arm tiller can be mounted within the fuselage. The tiller third arm driven by a carbon fiber rod with ball links on ends. The two long arms of the tiller are connected by Kevlar thread to "opposite ends" of a single all-thread rod running through the vertical hinge line of the rudder. The vertical fin on the P-51 has a "cuffed/sleeved" rudder post within which the rudder is hinged. Its been so long since I worked on a Byron I don't remember whether his rudder post was recessed as it should be... [image]http://www.scaleaero.com/Mvc-735f.jpg[/image] The rudder "leading edge" sits "insde" the cuff aka sleeve and swivels back and forth on the vertical hinge line that is set back on the rudder. I will return in a few minutes and post additional rudder post images. On many aircraft there is nothing more than a machined yoke which serves like an all thread rod sticking through hinge line of the rudder at right angles with hyme attachment between threaded tube from rudder pedals and yoke. Below is a view of the bottom right edge of the rudder with cuff on a P-51C. There is "no" space between the rudder and the vertical fin rudder post...none seen from outside the airplane. [image]http://www.scaleaero.com/scaleaero/TS15.jpg[/image] Below is another view of Kermit Weeks P-51C with an excellent view of the cuff. Note the space for swing of the rudder at the bottom where it is wider. [image]http://www.scaleaero.com/scaleaero/TS31.jpg[/image] On the Grumman F3F Wildcat's rudder it is cutaway for extreme rudder travel required on aircraft carriers. It affords us a good view of the pull pull cables coming from rudder pedals through swedged hyme joints to a right angle welded to sit just aft of the "offset" rudder hinge post. Hyme joints reduce friction and the binding at the attachment point. Brass cups with nylon ball links work well if they are kept in vertical plane and not placed where the arc of the rudder swing could uncouple the nylon. [image]http://www.scaleaero.com/ghf3flpulpul.jpg[/image]
Posted on: 10/5/2009 9:38 PM by Author "FliteMetal"
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RE: ***B-17 Gathering, Bomber Field, Tx 2009. RCU Onsite Coverage***
Tom, Everyone is welcome to visit and fly at Bomber Field any weekend. Membership applications are in the transmitter impound or available via email to Nick Stratos or other club officer listed on web site. http://www.bomberfieldusa.com . Y'all come... Some never leave...
Posted on: 10/3/2009 6:49 PM by Author "FliteMetal"
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RE: ***B-17 Gathering, Bomber Field, Tx 2009. RCU Onsite Coverage***
[image]http://bomberfieldusa.com/bomber_runway.jpg[/image] [image]http://bomberfieldusa.com/logo04.jpg[/image] [size=2] herrmill: You mean a field where a float fly could occur every year for twenty years? Now that would certainly be a nice field... [image]http://bomberfieldusa.com/flt08018.jpg[/image][image]http://bomberfieldusa.com/flt08014.jpg[/image][image]http://bomberfieldusa.com/flt08008.jpg[/image][image]http://bomberfieldusa.com/flt08007.jpg[/image][image]http://bomberfieldusa.com/flt08005.jpg[/image][image]http://bomberfieldusa.com/flt08006.jpg[/image][image]http://bomberfieldusa.com/flt08001.jpg[/image][image]http://bomberfieldusa.com/flt08009.jpg[/image][image]http://bomberfieldusa.com/flt08011.jpg[/image][image]http://bomberfieldusa.com/flt08013.jpg[/image][image]http://bomberfieldusa.com/flt08015.jpg[/image] I agree, that would be a really nice flying facility. [i]If anyone would like to become a member of Bomber Field you are invited to attend our last monthly meeting of the year this Sunday at 1pm at the field in Monaville.[/i][color=#0000CC][/color] Below is a map to direct you right to our gate keeping Aileron the gorilla. We'd love to see you out here amid the clear, cool breezes on the plateau overlooking Houston. Ya'll come... [image]http://bomberfieldusa.com/bombert.jpg[/image][/size]
Posted on: 10/2/2009 7:33 AM by Author "FliteMetal"
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RE: ***B-17 Gathering, Bomber Field, Tx 2009. RCU Onsite Coverage***
[size=2]Matt: We certainly enjoyed your attendence. To my knowledge you and only one other had to be treated, medically. His was the result of working on a B-17 engine while sitting in front of it ;^0 He was treated by our fine Bomber Field medical director Dr. Rodriguez so he left without loss of a digit. You seem to have left without having brain surgery...but it was said that should be a strong consideration. :^) See you guys in June and again in September. Thanks for com'n down. [/size]
Posted on: 10/1/2009 9:31 AM by Author "FliteMetal"
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RE: ***B-17 Gathering, Bomber Field, Tx 2009. RCU Onsite Coverage***
Ben, We look forward to seeing your Palmer 24, powered any way you see fit...:) I suggested you give consideration to the benefits and assurance provided by consistant electric power when you built the next 24. As you might imagine Bomber Field is littered with the remains of many multi-engined aircraft. Looking up as you walk around the transmitter impound and kitchen more or less speaks for itself...[;)]
Posted on: 9/25/2009 2:55 PM by Author "FliteMetal"
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RE: ***B-17 Gathering, Bomber Field, Tx 2009. RCU Onsite Coverage***
[image]http://004edc4.netsolhost.com/FliteMetalimages/Customers/BFweblogo2.gif[/image] Ken & Ken: Bomber Field's B-17 Gathering and Big Bird is always the third (3rd) weekend of September. The pilot and plane count for 2009 was 158 pilots with 221 planes. Three 2010 events provide an opportunity for Bomber Field to host over 800 pilots with more than 1000 aircraft. As the "overall" economy improves and the valves continue to flow... I would expect to exceed this. Now, that's a banner year for everyone to enjoy !
Posted on: 9/25/2009 2:08 PM by Author "FliteMetal"
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RE: ***B-17 Gathering, Bomber Field, Tx 2009. RCU Onsite Coverage***
[image]http://004edc4.netsolhost.com/FliteMetalimages/Customers/BFweblogo2.gif[/image] [size=2]Ben: I corrected the B-24 ID to an AE from Bomber Boys. Anyone wanting to see the complete list of pilots, planes and powered by its on 9 screens....here: [link=http://004edc4.netsolhost.com/BomberField/21st_B17_FlyIn.htm]Click To See[/link] and thanks again goes to Ken's posting and promotion of our event. We have an expanded schedule for 2010 that will provide more aircraft per sq.ft. than we have seen in the S/W in a long, long time [/size]
Posted on: 9/25/2009 1:08 PM by Author "FliteMetal"
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RE: ***B-17 Gathering, Bomber Field, Tx 2009. RCU Onsite Coverage***
[quote]ORIGINAL: RCKen Ed, Â was the electric OV-10 yours??? Ken [/quote] No, that is a hummmmmmmdinger that belongs to Evan Quiros of Seguin...a Uravitch electrofied ARF that flies very well.
Posted on: 9/25/2009 12:30 PM by Author "FliteMetal"
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RE: ***B-17 Gathering, Bomber Field, Tx 2009. RCU Onsite Coverage***
[quote]ORIGINAL: ben.roper Ed, Correction on the list of pilots and the planes. B-24 was an American Eagle kit. Thanks, Ben [/quote] Thanks Ben: I will change it to an AE B-24... ;^) Have you given second thought to our discussion of a humming B-24 instead of a whining B-24?
Posted on: 9/25/2009 12:21 PM by Author "FliteMetal"
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RE: Byron 51 Build Thread
Fred: There were four of these at Bomber Field this weekend. The largest engine was a 52. All four had Kleko's exhaust manifolds. All were two blade as well.
Posted on: 9/22/2009 10:26 PM by Author "FliteMetal"
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RE: Steampunk Fly In
Web site is being edited and will be live shortly... ; )
Posted on: 9/21/2009 3:25 PM by Author "FliteMetal"
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