RE: Color scheme for best visibility
[quote]ORIGINAL: crossman [quote]ORIGINAL: Gray Beard Tower used to have a chart of A plane with different colors and mixes to give people ideas of what colors worked well with others. I think it was Tower? Seems to me it was Monocote anyway. May be worth looking into to see if they still have it?? [/quote] I think that was a poster put out by monocote. Here it is. http://www3.towerhobbies.com
Posted on: 11/20/2009 11:00 PM by Author "Gray Beard" in the forum "Beginners"
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RE: Color scheme for best visibility
Tower used to have a chart of A plane with different colors and mixes to give people ideas of what colors worked well with others. I think it was Tower? Seems to me it was Monocote anyway. May be worth looking into to see if they still have it??
Posted on: 11/20/2009 5:45 PM by Author "Gray Beard" in the forum "Beginners"
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RE: Question about engine location
I have gotten away with it more then once. On a pumper the fuel goes from the tank to the regulator then to the carb, the regulator usually will stop the flow so the carb only gets what is needed. This may not always be true, that's why I say I have gotten away with it in the past. You should go to the OS factory support and ask Bill Baxter, he can give you a lot better answer more in line with the facts. I use pumpers so I don't have to worry about the tank location but I usually mount them low and over the CG, that can be quite a ways away from the engine so A pumper is a good choice for me. Bill really knows his stuff and his stuff is OS!![;)]
Posted on: 11/20/2009 5:25 PM by Author "Gray Beard" in the forum "Questions and Answers"
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RE: KARBONITE GEARS
Jersey, I agree with you, I have body parts that don't work below 72 degrees and can't even think about parts working in zero!! I went through my Hitec stuff last night and as Rock pointed out, there really aren't that many servos made with the karbonite gears anyway. None I would be using anyway. I only posted this to let the folks that were on the other post hear waht I was told by HT, the weight thing did take me by surprise, who would be paying the big bucks for a servo with these gears just to fly a small plane. Well, besides me but I have had them for a long time but I wouldn't do it again. This is just an FYI post, not a debate, just something I just learned. Nuff said on the subject.[;)]
Posted on: 11/20/2009 5:17 PM by Author "Gray Beard" in the forum "Questions and Answers"
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RE: FUtaba skysport 6 question
[quote]ORIGINAL: bruce88123 If you insist on using 2 channels you need to use Ch 1 & 6 and activate the ''flaperon'' function by setting the rear panel switch #8 to activate. They will also now work as flaps if desired but I recommend against that. This is covered on page 7 of the manual http://manuals.hobbico.com/fut/6va-manual.pdf Truth is, most beginners don't need all this. [/quote] That would require reading instead of just looking at the cover page, sort of like going into the Futaba Q&A page. The answers are in both but that takes effort.
Posted on: 11/20/2009 10:55 AM by Author "Gray Beard" in the forum "Beginners"
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RE: Color scheme for best visibility
Even the red white and blue plane Mike is using would mess me up on most days, I'm color blind and there is too much white and blue. I have one plane I did in white and blue and I have to keep it right clost to me and if I go high to do flat spins I really have to watch it like a hawk. This week I have been flying a 30% Extra and it's white and red, I had no problems until the white clouds rolled in and even that plane started to fade in on me. My best color is always yellow and then any dark contrasting colors on the bottom. I have another plane in orange, white and black, the lay out on the top has the white and it sticks out very well from the orange but the black stripes on the bottom blend in with the orange too much. It would be a good idea to look at planes in magazines or here on RCU and see what sticks out for you. Scale warbirds for me are very hard to see even on bright days.
Posted on: 11/20/2009 10:34 AM by Author "Gray Beard" in the forum "Beginners"
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RE: GMS 47 = garbage
[quote]ORIGINAL: muzzlemaggot What they said. I've found lint, hair, ghost turds, dirt and all sorts of stocking stuffers inside various carbs in the past when my engines were giving me fits. This is in spite of running a filter on my fuel jug and an inline filter before the carb. Somehow, that stuff still sneaks its way in there over time. Once, I had a brand new ST that I could absolutely not get adjusted right and ran unpredictable. Later that day after getting home, I yanked the carb apart and found aluminum shavings from the machining process inside the barrel. And this was one of the older Italian made versions, so I don't necessarily buy into that crap that the Chinese versions are any worse than the European ones. [/quote] Very true, I can't see a lot of difference in the CNC machines used in China or Japan. I have been told the metals used are different but haven't seen it as a problem. Quality control may be better in Japan??? As Jug pointed out, crud can happen no mater who makes the engine. I don't see a lot of the GMS or Tower engines at the field these days so can't say if they have gotten better or not, other then that run on problem the Tower engines ran very well but if you stuck a finger over the carb and it kept runing you knew there was a leak someplace. A very old post but it seems to have found new life!![:D]
Posted on: 11/19/2009 7:54 PM by Author "Gray Beard" in the forum "Beginners"
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RE: December Tower Talk ARF's
[quote]ORIGINAL: gabarber I can't see kits dying out completely, at least in the near future, but as the kids who have grown up knowing ONLY ARFs get older, kit building may be gone forever. I would be sad to see kits go away completely, and I do hope later in life (after the kids are grown and out of the house) I have more time to build. But, for at least the next 13-15 years, ARFs are my way to go, unless I get some time during the cold Minnesota winter months! I do have a Smith Mini plane kit sitting in my basement waiting to get built- we'll see if I find time... [/quote] As a kid I used to set up a coffee table in the living room and do my building on planes and car kits. I was still with the family but it was my time to build too. For the no time to build people give it a try. Sanding and covering {Clear Dope} were done outside so that really wasn't family time but the job always got done.
Posted on: 11/19/2009 7:36 PM by Author "Gray Beard" in the forum "Kit Building"
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RE: KARBONITE GEARS
Beats me, I bought a pile of the 6985s some years ago when Servo City was having a close out sale. I don't remember the power rating but at the time it was high and what I was using in my giant scale planes. For me anything high is over 100 in. lbs. back then. I was more surprised that I have never read anything about them not being used in big planes. I; I'm looking at the 7985 MG servos now, at 172 I think they should handle all my needs for a few more years. Cold weather here is anything under 40 so I don't give it too much thought either.
Posted on: 11/19/2009 7:30 PM by Author "Gray Beard" in the forum "Questions and Answers"
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RE: KARBONITE GEARS
It's worth a bunch to a lot of people. I do fly when it's in the low 30s so with wind chill I guess it could also be a problem but so far knock on wood. I had just never heard about the do's and don'ts with Karbonite from any of the adds for Hitec. After years of using them {buying} I now find out there can be problems with a lot of applacations. I knew about problems with too much vibration or stress but never heard about the planes weight bothering them. That's why I buy the high torques. If I learn something new every day I feel my day has been a good one, this was a big learn for me!![;)]
Posted on: 11/19/2009 5:15 PM by Author "Gray Beard" in the forum "Questions and Answers"
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KARBONITE GEARS
Last week there was a post, I think it was on here, anyway, can't find it now. A debate started about using carbonite gears on planes with gas engines, I use them on giant scale and gassers and really havent had problems with them. I searched RCU and found the normal debates, my feelings are the gears are brittle but other then surface fluttering they can take the vibration of a gas engine but I really wasn't sure what Hitec had to say about it so I wrote and asked. The reply came back today. They can take the vibration of most gassers but if you have one that really is shaking the surfaces then they are a big no. They should not be used in planes over 12 pounds if you are using a single servo per surface no mater what engine is being used. That is direct from Hitec, guess I have just been lucky over the years and been getting away with it. All new servos I have been buying these days are metal gears but I have a pile of nice servos with the Karbonite gears I have been using. My 30% Extra has all Karbonite geared servos in it but I have twin servos on the elevators and rudder, the ailerons have only one servo per side so I may be making some changes real soon. The G-62 I have doesn't really shake the plane very much at all but it is A very heavy plane.
Posted on: 11/19/2009 2:03 PM by Author "Gray Beard" in the forum "Questions and Answers"
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RE: oops, 75mhz
Buy a car or boat. Sense the 2.4 has been replacing 72 the price of both new and used radio equipment has gone way down. I have seen very nice Futaba 9-C radios going for as little as $100.00 bucks with some RXs tossed into the deal. I have one friend that has his JR 10ch for sale too with a few RXs but it's also due to be sent in for a check up and cleaning or I would buy it too. The prices of new 72s is pretty low these days depending on what you are looking for. I was flying with a guy yesterday that converted his 9-C into 2.4 and is using JR RXs. They are great radios even if you have to convert it's worth it.
Posted on: 11/19/2009 12:34 PM by Author "Gray Beard" in the forum "Questions and Answers"
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RE: How Many Gallons of Glow Fuel Do you Burn Up in a Year?
Depends A lot on the year. Before I moved here and I was in Calif. I was buying three cases a year then I would end up buying a few gallons as needed. That was with .46 and .60 size engines. Today I live in the Vegas area and I burn a lot less then I used to, I only fly about once a week and fly four strokes or gas for the most part. Yesterday I was out flying and I had one glow powered Extra and one gasser Extra, A CG 60 size with a YS 1.20 and a 30% with a G-62, I went through a half gallon in each plane. I live in one of those old folks areas where you have to be over 55 to live here, we have just about every type of club or hobby you can name so I have a lot more things going on here then just hunting, fishing and modeling. Don't have to chop wood or cut fire break either!!! Don't even have a yard to mow or water!! Life is good. When fuel goes on sale at Hobby People for 13 bucks a gallon I go in and stock up, it comes up on sale quite often so I usually have a case on hand, sometimes it gets burnt quite fast and sometimes it is just in my shop getting aged, just depends on what's going on these days.
Posted on: 11/19/2009 12:26 PM by Author "Gray Beard" in the forum "Questions and Answers"
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RE: December Tower Talk ARF's
[quote]ORIGINAL: dalolyn One thing I might hit upon { please add other thoughts } If you grew up as a baby boomer and to the point you were born in the sixties, many Head of households performed their own maintenance on the House and property. That is where I got my skills as a carpenter and as a plane builder DAD had all the tools Saws, block planes, sanders, chisels, hacksaws. the list goes on and on. There are still a lot of do it yourselfers, but It was the norm back then, Who can remember if a window pain broke Dad was glazing a new one in. If a door was dragging dad was pulling it off and shaving it down with a block plane. Many households nowadays only have the essentials Hammer and screwdrivers. I still have and use some of my dads tools to build with. Point is if you do not have any experience or tools it is an easy choice to buy an ARF. Even my own kids do not have any maintenance tools. Out of 5 kids only one has the necessary tools to maintain a house hold, and therefor he could '' Build'' planes if he wanted to. but It is my Son in Law He has the tools but not the skills. Even with Plastic model kits used to be parts you assemble but go to hobby lobby most of the kits are major sub assemblies you snap together [/quote] Mike, I see no one bashing tower, just lamenting the lack of kits that they at one point in time carried. I just don't use them because of the types and sizes of the planes I build and fly. When they do have what I need and you add on shipping and tax, yes, most the time I have to pay tax too if it ships from this area, the prices are cheaper if I just go to my blessed LHS. I'm lucky to have a good one in my area. Building skills and tools: Just this week I took some classes on the wood lathe, most of the guys are always surprised on how fast I pick things up when it has anything to do with tools. When I was in school boys were required to take all the shop classes starting in the 7th grade. It was just called industrial arts, after you were in high school, 10th grade shops were an elective. We had everything from welding to auto shop, machine shop and drafting, you name it we had it. Most of my shop members today are from the east coast and they didn't have these shops in most schools, when the fellow from India heard my story he couldn't beleave it. I have no fear of tools and can still read blue prints, a few changes have been made in drafting today though and what ever happened to color coading of electrical parts?? Kit collecting for profit?? The next time I pay half of the original price for an old kit will be the first. When I was in Calif. I used to go to RC swap meets and I made it to every auction I could find. Club auctions were the best!! I was the only builder left that I know and I picked up almost all the kits being auctioned off, avrage price was 10 bucks. No one would even bid on them. I noticed someone mentioned you can buy an ARF for less then it cost to scratch build a plane, not true. I buy my wood in bulk from Lone Star Balsa and for about $25.00 I can get enough wood for two small planes or one big one. I buy my hardware in bulk too and have it on hand, just this week I was in the hardware store and stocked up on lock nuts and metric and SAE hex screws for engine mounting. I buy a lot of stuff from Micro Fastener too. If I see covering on sale I grab it up. If you have ever read RCM then you know they had building articles every month, they still have the plans service running so these planes from the past can still be bult today. If you can't find a kit you like then do a search and buy the plans, it really isn't all that hard to cut your own kit then there is nothing different about it then building a store bought kit without good instructions. You don't need tower for kits if you cut your own.
Posted on: 11/19/2009 11:57 AM by Author "Gray Beard" in the forum "Kit Building"
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RE: GMS 47 = garbage
[quote]ORIGINAL: jerrysu29 JugMan I admit He is new. But as He stated 3 of the club instructors were scratching there head on why they couldn't get it running. DL? isn't that a Chinese Knock Off of a Quality made US DA? [b]jerrysu29 Call Sign Wild Man [/b] [/quote] I don't fly the smaller engines but I did try out the SK .91s and so far have been very impressed, real stump pullers. I got to fool with one of the DLE 55cc gassers today, yes it is a knock off of the DA from what I could tell. I was really impressed with it and some places are really selling them cheap. If you have a problem and need service, well????? Back in 04 when this was posted a couple of the kids in my club bought the new tower engines, everyone one of them had the air leak in the carb problem, doesn't sound like it has been fixed yet either??
Posted on: 11/18/2009 11:37 PM by Author "Gray Beard" in the forum "Beginners"
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RE: Kit Building Cool Tools
I build my own kits from plans. Other then the hand tools like the zona saw and razor knife my number one tool is a nice scroll saw and a cheap HF belt/disc sander. I belong to a wood working club and have pretty much any tool you can name but for models the only time I bother with the wood shop is for sanding during the winter, during the summer i do my sanding outside of my own shop. That way I don't get all that dust on my planes. I do cut my own hard wood spars and stringers on the table saw at the wood shop but other then that I can't think of any reason to use one. Not very often at least.
Posted on: 11/18/2009 11:21 PM by Author "Gray Beard" in the forum "Kit Building"
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RE: December Tower Talk ARF's
Just today a fellow came up to me and asked what the plane I was flying was. I told hime it was a Carl Goldburg Extra 300L kit, he wanted one in a bad way but I had to tell him he was going to have to look on ebay for the kit because they were no longer made {thanks GP} and you can't even get builders plans for one. I did tell him that GP did make a kit of one almost the same size so I put him onto tower. If it was just tower then we could have something to be upset about but it's just the times we live in, cell phones and computers are now a must have item, I only know one fellow without a puter and I'm one of the few that doesn't have a cell, my wife has it but it's never used or even turned on. It's just a sign of the times. Up to about 10 years ago tower sold a lot of kits but I watched them drop like fly's. After you move past the 60 size plane you don't use tower very much anyway, there are much better places and better prices. I still send students to tower though, it's sort of like Bass Pro, one stop shopping. I gave up true scratch building years ago in favor of plans building. Used to be all magazines had designers and they had building articles every month then sold the plans to that plane. Sometimes kit makers would buy the rights to that plane, redesign it a bit to make it easier to kit then it hit the market. Those days are dead but there are a lot of great plans services out there, plans are cheap, buying wood in bulk is cheap, cutting your own kit is easy and you have a super plane that no one else has. I just buy plans now and redesign them to suit my needs, maybe something as simple as going from glow to gas but changes are needed. It's fun, easy and most the time cheaper then a kit build. Give the MAN Plans service a try, they have lots of very nice planes you can build. As long as I have plans I will always have kits. If not then I can always start drawing my own planes again.
Posted on: 11/18/2009 11:13 PM by Author "Gray Beard" in the forum "Kit Building"
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RE: more right offset on eng?
The most thrust I have ever put in a plane was 3 degrees, 2 is about normal if I put any in at all. Depending on the plane itself I will start out with zero thrust then during trim flights I will add if needed. Some kits and ARFs come with built in thrust on the fire wall and that usually comes out to about 2. Joo mentioned adding down elevator on take off to bring the plane up onto step. {lifting the tail wheel} None of my planes have ever needed that, I have always had to add just a touch to keep the tail wheel on the ground until I have enough ground speed to steer with just rudder. If you are flying a trike geared plane and it's turning left then check your rudder trim and nose wheel to make sure it isn't bent or twisted. Remember, you do have to do some of that pilot stuff and steering is part of it. After a year of flying I just now got one of my old students to understand he can't let the plane get ahead of him, he has to react before the plane does anything that will effect his take offs or get out of control.
Posted on: 11/18/2009 10:46 PM by Author "Gray Beard" in the forum "Beginners"
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RE: mini servos in .40 sized plane a no-no?
Last plane I built for a club racing class had the HS 81s in the ailerons. No problem so far but you know how that can go. I always worry about the small motors more then the gears. I have the HS 80 and 81 in my 60 size Daddy Rabbit, one is on throttle and one I have set up for the front wheel steering. No problem on the throttle but I have destroyed the gears in the last 81 on the steering wheel, you either set this plane down nice and smooth or replace the steering servo. I really need to come up with a shock for that steering cable!!![;)] So far only the one bad landing though.[:D]
Posted on: 11/18/2009 5:45 PM by Author "Gray Beard" in the forum "Beginners"
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RE: Any decent .46 size Biplanes?
[quote]ORIGINAL: forktail devil The Sig Smith Miniplane is another option. its a kit though. I have an OS46LA on mine and its more than enough power [/quote] Post number 3
Posted on: 11/18/2009 10:11 AM by Author "Gray Beard" in the forum "Questions and Answers"
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RE: The greatest flight box
[quote]ORIGINAL: koolkrabber47 [quote]ORIGINAL: JohnBuckner I am not one to carry fuel in a flight box especially after witnessing a local experiance severe burns on hand and arm by picking up a flight box that was on fire in bright daylight. Alcohol burns virtually invisably in daylight. It was not a lithium fire it was fuel residue and poor maintenace. I do not use power panels as uneccesary and wasted cost, a potential fire hazard if fuel is carried on board. The first pictures are of the old Hobby Shack box, seems the original had wooden legs but the acturally are better than the alum types which each leg has to be pulled down separately. The wooden ones extend two at a time. The box in wood finish with the alum leggs is the one that normally stays in my truck all the time. I only use the leggs on occasion at some other flying sites or shorelines where its difficult for me to tailgate. The little flightline or Startline box is the only one that goes to the pits/starting tables etc. and this is how I carry my fuel. John [/quote] very, very informative and helpful and with pictures to boot......you gotta love these forums......thank you,john.....now if we could only get someone to post some plans???.... _______________________________________________ PRECISION AEROBATICS-BADBOY V2 o.s. 46AX>GLOBAL-RCM TRAINER 40 O.S. 46AX>SIG E-FORCE 3d HI-MAX 2808-0980>CARL GOLDBERG HUSKY 400 E-FLITE PARK 400 980kv>ACCEL HOBBIES-KATANA 30e w/WORLD MODELS 28/26 180w OUTRUNNER>PARKZONE SLO-V>HELI-MAX AXE 400 3d>HELI-MAX AXE EZ>PILOTO REVELL..... [/quote] A few of us trade plans but posting them could run into legal problems?? I still buy plans from RCM and MAN, they aren't that much but the shipping these days is a killer!!!
Posted on: 11/17/2009 10:43 PM by Author "Gray Beard" in the forum "Beginners"
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RE: fixing prop
Not only toss it but always check props before you buy them. Some places have prop bins and they get beat up with just people looking through the bin for there prop size.
Posted on: 11/17/2009 10:31 PM by Author "Gray Beard" in the forum "Questions and Answers"
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RE: Secure payment by Paypal, think again!
You just figured this out?? Most people do very well with ebay, I got had but it wasn't much money and it was my first and last use of ebay. There are a lot of people here on RCU that have had problems so I don't feel too bad about it. You lost a bunch though!! Sorry to hear about it. Once burnt twice shy![;)]
Posted on: 11/17/2009 10:27 PM by Author "Gray Beard" in the forum "Questions and Answers"
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RE: Goldberg Extra 300
. I just had my van washed so I better get out to the lake bed so I can get that gray dusty look back
Posted on: 11/17/2009 10:02 PM by Author "Gray Beard" in the forum "Kit Building"
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RE: Motivation
[quote]ORIGINAL: foodstick You can definitely always sell a nice airplane if you enjoy building ..but I know its easy to become attached to them... [/quote] People will spend hundreds of dollars on an ARF but won't buy a kit built plane??? Never understood that. I only built to order. I would want to build something special then try to find someone that wanted to buy it before I ever glued any wood. I ended up doing a lot of set up for peoples ARFs more so then building planes.
Posted on: 11/17/2009 3:51 PM by Author "Gray Beard" in the forum "Questions and Answers"
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RE: ARF and kit builders poll
And all the planes were different, no one ever covered or painted the same. Whenever I go to fly today I usually get asked what kind of plane is that? Then I get the question, who makes it and how much does it cost?[:D]
Posted on: 11/17/2009 3:44 PM by Author "Gray Beard" in the forum "Questions and Answers"
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RE: Any decent .46 size Biplanes?
And it's a very good looking little plane!!!!!
Posted on: 11/17/2009 3:38 PM by Author "Gray Beard" in the forum "Questions and Answers"
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RE: ARF and kit builders poll
I spent the summer teaching my youngest student how to build a kit, the 4*60, after that he went right back to ARFs, this wasn't a big things, it's what he liked and he didn't have to spend months building a plane. This isn't supposed to be an ARF bashing post. I'm a builder, I don't care for ARFs, not very strong and don't last very long. My young student learned what went into a plane and noticed the weak points in his ARFs, he can now fix his planes when he breaks them. No plane is built to crash, makes no difference if I built it or you bought one, a hard hit will break a plane. ARFs have really come a long way in the last 10 years but no one is going to build a plane and use very much wood or real glue then sell it for next to nothing. I build from plans and buy my wood in bulk, I can usually build cheaper then an ARF, not a small plane but bigger ones. Pick your plane and go have fun with it, it doesn't bother me what you are flying as long as you have a smile on your face!![;)] By the way, plans and wood are cheaper then kits and you get the hardware you want. Today I only buy kits at auction and won't pay the stupid prices they are asking for a kit these days, I get a deal or I build from plans. I saw Skyshark mentioned, $300.00 for a 60 size box of wood?? Well, I must admit the finished box of wood was outstanding but who wants to drop that kind of money into a small plane?
Posted on: 11/17/2009 2:31 AM by Author "Gray Beard" in the forum "Questions and Answers"
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RE: Engine for a Goldberg Wild-stik 120
I fly with a fellow that is using the CRRC 26cc gasser. Go over to Kangke and take a peek at there SK 1.30 glow engine. I have there .91s and love them, haven't tried the 1.30 yet but maybe some day. I have been going gas on anything that a 1.20 four stroke can't fly well. Cheaper to operate and cheaper to buy!!
Posted on: 11/17/2009 1:54 AM by Author "Gray Beard" in the forum "Questions and Answers"
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RE: Tower Hobbies Uproar 40 build
Whats the bottom look like??
Posted on: 11/17/2009 1:43 AM by Author "Gray Beard" in the forum "Kit Building"
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