RE: RANT: The
Hey Rick, [color=#660000][size=3][b]WE WON!![/b][/size][/color] [quote][size=3][color=#000099]They agreed to make a few more so check in the next couple days to see if we open up the part number again for ordering and back order the couple that should get you by. Patrick Brown From: Patrick Brown Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 11:13 AM To: 'PCD' Subject: RE: Hanger 9 60 Fokker DVII [/color].[/size] [/quote] Would this have happen if I said, oh well? No I demanded Customer Service and they stepped to the plate. Horizon will always get my business! Pete
Posted on: 9/5/2012 8:36 AM by Author "Jacobs Jasta 7" in the forum "ARF or RTF"
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RE: RANT: The
: Monday, August 27, 2012 7:06 AM Subject: Re: Hanger 9 60 Fokker DVII Pat, So are you going to request
Posted on: 8/30/2012 1:41 PM by Author "Jacobs Jasta 7" in the forum "ARF or RTF"
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RE: CA Kicker ?
[quote]ORIGINAL: JohnBuckner These days I use a respirator when I use CA, use it when I use Ca Kicker and I use it when I use epoxie, don't use it when I use aliphatic resin. But then agine I use the respiratior when I have a big sanding session on balsa too. CA kicker is just another tool that is an adjunct to the use of CA. It is not used all the time however you will find times that it is most useful. If you are going to use CA then you are better off to also learn when and how to use the CA kicker. John [/quote] Oh John, boy do I know about sanding balsa and I can relate. I'm allergic to any type of dust and when I sand any type of wood I start my nonstop sneezing session. My wife laughs but then I tell her it's a pleasure- pain kind of thing and I love building RC planes way too much to give in. When I grind fiberglass that's when I put on the mask and glasses. That stuff is just horrible, and if some of it gets on my skin I have to wash it off. The glass gets into my skin poors and makes me itch. Sorry for getting off topic, Pete
Posted on: 8/29/2012 6:45 AM by Author "Jacobs Jasta 7" in the forum "Beginners"
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RE: CA Kicker ?
[quote]ORIGINAL: CGRetired Just don't breathe the fumes. CGr. [/quote] You're not kidding, and don't put your face too close to what your working on- the fumes can burn the eyes a little. The ultra-thin CA is the worst culprit for that. [:(] I don't use kicker, I just rather wait for the CA to set on its own time. Pete
Posted on: 8/29/2012 5:50 AM by Author "Jacobs Jasta 7" in the forum "Beginners"
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RE: Which is lighter CA or Titebond?
[quote]ORIGINAL: Lightspeed1551 CA is lighter. I have never broken a glue joint (CA or epoxy) in a crash it has always been in the area next to the joint. [/quote] Come to think of it, I haven't either. If the repairs are done right, it actually can become stronger and I think it is a misconception that repaired models become structurally weak. I'm not saying people should give their planes a CA or epoxy bath, but any brand of epoxy or CA will work well if applied right. I think brand is a matter of choice including what epoxy to use. A ol'timer once told me that back in the 1950's when he was younger they put planes together with white wood glue. [X(] I don't think it would work with some of todays models- but what do I know. I'm just too chicken to try it and I'll stick with what I know works. For me I use different thicknesses of CA for all the different types of applications I need it for. I use 30 min epoxy for the high stress areas and 6 min epoxy for the not so stressful areas, but need the strength that CA can't give me. Ultra thin CA for CA hinges or to make soft balsa stiffer, medium for the framing and some filling and thick CA for filling. If I want to lighten up the epoxy and keep the same strength, or fill in those areas that have a gap then I will mix the epoxy with microballoons. Dents in balsa, I usually steam out with water and my covering iron. And I will use balsa filler for small holes or dents and cracks, (after mending it with ultra-thin CA) or use it to make sure I get a straight and level line removing slight skin warps on a smooth surface. (like using filler on a car body etc) The step by step method on how I use things is long and I don't want to bore anyone more than I already did. But keep reading the posts in RCU and RCG and you will learn a lot like I have over time, and you can decide what works best for you. Everyone has their own way of doing things and none of them are wrong. I'm sure if everyone including myself can remember that, I think there would be less debates in the forums. For me when I build kits I usually use and do what the directions call for. It is rare that they are wrong, but that's why we have RCU and RCG build threads, so when there becomes a error in the directions we can spread the word a little better before there might be a Tech Update. When I "Bash" that's when at times I get a little more creative. [:D] Over time everyone makes up their mind what works best for them in whatever application they are working with. Over time (things I must earn) in this hobby we all eventually learn what works, and from trial and much error what doesn't. Pete
Posted on: 8/29/2012 5:36 AM by Author "Jacobs Jasta 7" in the forum "Beginners"
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RE: RANT: The
[quote]ORIGINAL: hsukaria I'd better jump in and say something here before this thread is shut down: We rag on Horizon and Tower for not carrying spare parts AFTER the ARF is discontinued. But how about all the other sellers who don't even keep ARF spares while they are still in production? (I can name a couple of sellers at least). I just would like to level the playing field. Thanks for letting me vent a bit. [/quote] If your talking about CMP, Nitroplanes, ESM or now Ecomplanes they never did make spare parts for the market. Thats part of the way China markets their goods- make the product with no product support. ( You Buy, You Like Long Time. No Parts for You! You Buy Another One- Real Cheap, Fly good!) Because we know the companies I mentioned don't make spare parts, some of us avoid them all together. However, most hobbyshops will part out a kit to make sure the parts are available, and if you notice- parts are more expensive if you add up the cost. Right now I could buy most of the parts to make another Hanger 9 Fokker, and I would pay twice more than the retail cost. If you hang out in the Nitroplane/CMP Support Thead- they are always asking where to find parts. But again, I would expect that because we pay for what we get. (Buy cheap get cheap) On the other hand we pay a good chunk of cash for a ARF from Greatplanes and Horizon, and most of us expect better product support and more parts on hand. Meaning Manufacturers CAN and SHOULD do a better job of supporting their products and customers. Let me reiterate like a parot on prozac- most of us remember how it used to be when the manufacture went out of their way to help the consumer, and continue making parts well after the ARF was removed from the market. Greatplanes, Goldberg and Sig was one of the top companies to do that and Horizon had the same business practice for a while. That's what made them such a huge giant to begin with. It is now the practice of Greatplanes and Horizon discontinuing with the part making at the same time the ARF is pulled, leaving the customer hanging like what happened to the GP 60 Fokker DR1, Fokker DVII and Camel. When they started that practice is beside the point, we spent a lot of money on their products and they should do a better job of supporting their products and customers. [quote] tailskid: speaking of inventory for "old" parts....I was in a hobby shop that sells mostly RC Cars....and WOW!!! The inventory he has on hand - and that he just opened, I would guess most of it is 'current'....if he lasts say 10 years, I can't imagine all the 'obsolete' parts he would have on hand - and of course the part someone wants will not be found [/quote] I have 10 years flying RC and about 15 building freeflight and to me 10 years isnt very long. The vendors have to at least continue making parts for a few years after the main product was pulled. Depending on how quickly the parts sold out, it would be logical to keep the molds, plugs and plans for it. Then make the decision to make another few hundred units or not. Horizon and Greatplanes will destroy everything in 2 years leaving us once again stiffed. Again Horizon admitted it was a mistake on their part when it came to the Camel and Fokker DVII discontinuation because let me reiterate- "they didn't expect the parts to sell out so quickly." All I can say to that is duh! When the news just hit that these planes became discontinued, there was a push from the people of RCG and RCU to let them know it was a mistake, and requested that they not do it. Did they listen? No. Are they going to do something about it? If they don't, they don't get my direct business. Hobby shops and distributors have to use common sense- even though it is my opinion that businesses rarely practice it. You find out how much of a product was made, how quickly it sold, and make that right decision what to stock. It's knowing the logistics and the rule of supply and demand. It was one of my strong subjects when I was in business school many years ago. If a hobby shop was holding the same parts for 10 years, then they are a fool because apparently, they didn't notice what products sold quickly and what the demand was around them. The Hanger 9 Fokker DVII was in production for only 4 years, Camel 6 years. All of the most important parts sold out in 2 years. That would be enough for me to get on the phone with the vendor and ask for another 50 units alone. Now incase you all don't know, what is the first thing that gets destroyed when a airplane crashes or has a mishap? It's usually the cowl and the details around it. Cowls don't take up a lot of room, so 10 years worth of making and selling ARF cowls isn't much when you are selling them at least a handful or less a week. (looking at the big picture) I can store up to 20 cowls of every ARF ever made and fit it all in a large room in my house. I'm not kidding. [X(] So when they moan and complain, " we don't have the room!" Don't listen. They are trying to get out of working a little harder in the product support arena. If they can make more money for less work, they will try to do it. The more we don't take a stand, the more they will try to get away with it. It's bad enough we let them replace most of the very nice Gas/glow models with those cheap foam electric planes. But that is another subject one day that we can all rant about. Pete
Posted on: 8/29/2012 2:48 AM by Author "Jacobs Jasta 7" in the forum "ARF or RTF"
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RE: RANT: The
[quote]ORIGINAL: acdii Now an Entrepreneur would see this as an opportunity to make money by gathering up parts of ARF's and make copies of the parts, and plugs, molds, jigs, and make the parts to order.  If I had the time and knew how to make the molds and plugs, I would do this myself. Once I can afford one I am getting a laser cutter, and learn how to use it.   [/quote] Yes and I thought of taking out a business loan myself and just doing ARF cowls. But again like I mentioned earlier, I don't want to make a business out of my hobby because it will eventually not be a hobby for me I'm afraid. I was earning a good penny building for other people not too long ago, then it came to a point that I had no time to build for myself. On top of that, often my customers would keep giving me things that didn't fit or work for the model I was constructing for them. I can't tell you how much gas I've burned in my car picking things up or dropping things off for the customer. And not once did I charge the customer or foward the cost of gas for delivery. After 2 years of doing this, I got out of it at the first chance I could! Again, the money was good, space availability, time and my patience was bad. Fiberglass Specialties only deals with the Kits and Plans and doesn't feel there's money to be made in making scale discontinued ARF cowl plugs. He's more into the quick income than the slow asset and fails to see that more and more people are keeping their ARF aircraft way beyond the so called expiration date. When I talked to him on the phone he was just another business man going with the flow of everyday modern business. He got on my nerves a bit at the end, but I just wouldn't allow him to rent free space in my head over his ignorance. I liked the original owner of Fiberglass Specialties, I remember he used to go all out to help someone, and if you were willing to pay for everything he would have made the plug- or had one of the cowls made for you. This new guy who bought the business doesn't do anything but have everything made for him. He knows how the cowls are made, however doesn't have the skill to make plugs and or cowls. His job is basicly marketing and sales. Just like the middle men, suppliers or vendors that's part of the problem here. So people, we can all jump off the bridge and go with the flow because others are doing it and saying, "Oh Well." Like Horizon, Greatplanes, Fiberglass Specialties, and many others who fit the modern business mold. (pardon the pun) Or we can break that cycle and start demanding from these people better product support. They want us to say, "Oh well" and not make a peep. I won't give them that satisfaction. I got them thinking- and I got them to listen, now it's all your turn to do what I did. Eventually they will start respecting what we tell them, or we will take our business and our hard earned cash to someone who gives a darn. If they don't respond by email people, call them- they want us to go away. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. Let's make it easier for them to tell the vender to start remaking parts, rather than to deal with us about it. I like many others who chimed in the thread also want the hobby back to the way it used to be when it was more efficient, and they placed their loyal customers first. Without us, there would be no Greatplanes, Horizon etc. So it is all up to you as individuals, to give me a hand here as part of the comradery we have for each other as pilots in the hobby. I can not do it alone, but we as a whole- can. Kind of reminds me of the pilot revolt in the Luftwaffe during WWII. [:D] Like them, it's time to grow a pair. Pete
Posted on: 8/28/2012 1:09 AM by Author "Jacobs Jasta 7" in the forum "ARF or RTF"
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RE: Pre-Maiden Jitters
[quote]ORIGINAL: Microz Whew! Makes me feel better knowing the jitters get better, and that i cant die of nervousness! But that one event you flew at must of been something! Man!!! And im nervous flying in front of 2 people! [/quote] Wait until you go to Rhinebeck Jamboree, Joe Nall, Warbirds Over Delaware or other sponsored events just to name a few. 200+ spectators and pilots showing up is probably the low count on a very bad day. [:D] I like small events because I do get nervous in large crowds- plus I don't like my planes sitting in the sun for a hour on the flightline waiting for a chance to fly. Besides, have you ever seen what the sun can do to light plastic canopies and Ultracote? [:o] When I maiden a plane, I don't like too many people there at the field either. I'll bring my wife so she can film it, and usually phone ahead to my Club Secretary or Vice and they will usually standby, just incase something goes terribly wrong and I need to go to the hospital real fast. All seriousness, I witnessed a guy who lost a finger and a good chunk of his hand with the prop and he went into shock and passed out. If it wasn't for a few people being there that knew what to do, I think he would have bled to death. It took us about 10 minutes to find his finger and get it on ice and get to the hospital so they could try to reconstruct the hand. Those are the kind of things you don't forget. So it's advisable that if you fly glow or gas to always have someone around, and if you don't- please be extra careful. I just read a article in MA how electric planes can also mess up someones day as well. I guess it's best to have a arming switch on the plane and a rubber band to keep the throttle down on the TX. Sorry I got off a little on the topic, It's one of my character defects.[:D] Pete
Posted on: 8/28/2012 12:07 AM by Author "Jacobs Jasta 7" in the forum "Beginners"
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RE: RANT: The
[quote]ORIGINAL: Luchnia [quote]ORIGINAL: acdii Someday American companies will come back and make ARF's and kits, but not until the Economy improves to where people have discretionary spending available to keep a product alive.  The Chinese companies make only so many of one plane and move on to another. They get an order in for say 1000 units, make the order and move on. If they dont get a repeat order before the first order is complete, chances are they will discard the jigs and plugs and molds and start the next line. It's how they do business.  [/quote] I would imagine this is a good assumption. I am sure there are other drivers, however foreign business probably operate much the way you have stated, especially those faced with space restrictions. From some of the pictures I have seen of model manufacturers shops they were very small in appearance so this would be an issue with keeping their build items, although you would think that this type of stuff would be kept somewhere. When we were in business, most of the time we were not fighting space issues so it was not a big deal stocking parts, and when we built something special we always kept the jigs. We never threw those away unless it was a one time deal. Another note was that we would deal more with companies that stocked parts and offered strong support so we could do the same for our customer. If the company only offered items and support was weak we made sure our customer new that going in and new they would probably be on their own. [/quote] Luchnia, you know how to run a business and I thank you for taking the time to explain things to people in here on how a real business should operate. I so much agree with everything you've shared with us ( that's how my Brother runs his business) and I hope and wish you much success in what you do. I wrote another email to Pat at Horizon asking if they'ed requested Hanger 9 (vendor) to remake the Plug and or to come back with some of the discontinued parts. I also asked them that Horizon request that they (the vendor) at least be made aware that many who have this plane wish to keep it going and have parts available for a few more years. If nothing is done by these people, at least I got them to think about it. When Rick finally blew his cork when he couldn't find the original stock wheels for his discontinued GP Fokker Dr1, it struck a nerve with me, and I finally got sick of the new business methods that these retailers are doing- by not standing up to the Chinese vendors. All they have to do is tell them that this is not how we do business here in America, and we back our products that we sell- so if I ask you (the vendor) to save the plugs or drawings and need you to remake and ship another 200 units, then you will supply it or I will go find someone who will fill that order. But many businesses and retailers have become lazy IMO, and they don't want to start looking for other vendors, or have the vendors compete for their business. This is one of the many reasons why China now dominates our markets, besides manipulating the currancy to get rid of anyone ever having a chance to compete. First we need to tariff Chinese imports and level the playing field world wide, before we as Americans can compete again in the foreign market. Pete
Posted on: 8/27/2012 5:07 AM by Author "Jacobs Jasta 7" in the forum "ARF or RTF"
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RE: Pre-Maiden Jitters
[quote]ORIGINAL: Microz [quote]ORIGINAL: Jacobs Jasta 7 [quote]ORIGINAL: countilaw The best way to get rid of the   maiden flight jitters is to learn to fly,   and learn to fly correctly.   Too many  new pilots  get planes that are above their  ability  to fly.     I see too many  new  comers buying   mustangs,  P-40s,  and the like thinking they can fly them.    It's
Posted on: 8/27/2012 4:32 AM by Author "Jacobs Jasta 7" in the forum "Beginners"
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RE: Which is lighter CA or Titebond?
CA. Pete
Posted on: 8/27/2012 3:34 AM by Author "Jacobs Jasta 7" in the forum "Beginners"
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RE: Hangar 9 Fokker DVII
in a year or so if all goes well. I still haven't decided what Jasta 7 Fokker DVII skin I want to immulate. Jacobs #1 man and best friend was Jewish and he had a gold star on the side of the fuse. His
Posted on: 8/27/2012 3:13 AM by Author "Jacobs Jasta 7" in the forum "ARF or RTF"
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RE: RANT: The
Double Post. Pete
Posted on: 8/26/2012 4:59 AM by Author "Jacobs Jasta 7" in the forum "ARF or RTF"
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RE: RANT: The
, they will hear about it, loud and clear. Jasta and I, and others, are telling some big operators how we feel
Posted on: 8/26/2012 4:57 AM by Author "Jacobs Jasta 7" in the forum "ARF or RTF"
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RE: RANT: The
[quote]ORIGINAL: cloudancer03 I share your discontent as I want a hanger 9 ultrastick badly but they apparently don't plan to bring it back anytime soon.and 3dhobby has done the same thing and it drives me nuts..but happily it makes me try other planes and suddenly I am a happier guy. [/quote] I know what you mean. But the case in point is we as the consumer should have more power in what a manufacturer puts out, and not have them tell us what we want. The reason foamies sell so well is they are cheap and we are in the middle of a recession. People aren't spending a lot right now because we all are uncertain of the American future. To me fear is all in the heads of wall street and the press and politics play it out and use it as a excuse for everything. ( someone farts over in the middleeast and watch the gas prices go up, and no one ever goes after the speculators) I only fly gas/glow airplanes, and most people I know do the same. So electric foamies have not taken over, they are simply in a different class from us. The problem is they chose to discontinue .40-.60 class warbirds for cost cutting, not because the sales were bad. Please re-read the email responces from one of the Horizon executives that I posted in here for you all to read. He personally was against the discontinuation of the Hanger 9 Fokker and Camel and admitted it was a mistake not to fill the shelves first with the stock parts right before the discontinuation date. They had no idea that the planes were going to sell out so fast and the parts like the cowls were going to be so much in demand. I'm going to wait a month or so, then I'm going to continue the debate with Horizon. Once the economy ever gets out of the dirt again, I'm sure many of the discontinued ARF aircraft will be coming back on the market. I'm trying to ask the public not to get sucked in the political fear mongering going on. Many businesses are not hurting right now and they are doing fine. They are just succumbing to their own fears more than doing the right thing. "We have nothing to fear but fear itself!" - Roosevelt Rick, just ignore or block them. You can't reason with idiots and the more you try you just lower yourself to their level. But it's true that they are keeping your "Rant" thread going and keeping it on top of the RTF-ARF forum. It's like the male Praying Mantis. The male is so busy getting it on with the female that it doesn't realize it's getting eaten alive until it is too late. [:D] Pete
Posted on: 8/25/2012 7:20 PM by Author "Jacobs Jasta 7" in the forum "ARF or RTF"
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RE: RANT: The
[quote]ORIGINAL: sj3cub Well, I just got off the phone with Great Planes who bought out Cox Models several years ago, and I am very very pissed to say the least. I crashed my 1975 Cox Sportavia Glider the other night and destroyed the wing, and can you believe that they had the nerve to tell me that they no longer stocked the model, much less parts for it. I have never heard of such a thing. I have been flying my beloved glider for 38 years. What am I supposed to do now. [/quote] Throw it away or burn it. Your money spent, and loyalty don't mean a darn thing to them. However you are one of the rare type of people that can keep a plane for that long of a period- that doesn't have plans or blueprints that came with it. For 38 years I wouldn't expect anyone to stock the original parts, however it is only logical to continue making parts for ARF aircraft that have been discontinued for up to 10 years after the date of termination. Many have discontinued ARF aircraft that are still flying, so parts should be available for them. The GP DR1 I didn't expect them to still stock the parts, but 5 years ago I would have expected different. The whole problem is when a ARF gets discontinued, they discontinue making the parts at the same time. That's the issue that Rick and I brought up in the "Rant." Even Horizon admitted they screwed up and didn't expect the most important parts to sell out so quickly. The ball is in their court, they are either going to correct their mistake or they are going to brush it aside and put their self interest over what the customers want. Again without customers they wouldn't be in business. That goes to show they didn't discontinue the Hanger 9 Fokker because the sales was so bad. I suspect do to outsourcing to China, Hanger 9 upped the price making the ARF and Horizon didn't want to commit. They'ed rather make a ton of cheap electric foam parkflyers that sell quickly rather than continue a glow /gas model that takes a little slower for people to come up with the cash to buy it. Look at Greatplanes, most of the new stuff is electric- not scale glow/gas models. If they shrug me off, then they don't get my business at all. For the average price for one glow/gas airplane (depending on the model) it takes the sale of 3 Parkflyers. Looking at the big picture, the sales practices of today do not make sense. Maybe that's one of the many reasons why our economy is in the dirt, and people are going out of business? Just because businesses decided to fall into that "quanity over quality" routine doesn't mean I should start a business and follow the herd. It's usually the corporations that take risks and that are different staying away from the herd that are most likely to succeed. My brother has made millions starting and running a business. He went hungry in the beginning like everyone who starts a new business, and for quite a few years he took home nothing because he made sure his employees got paid on time. The reputation that got him the most business in the Albany, NY area was his reputation putting his customers first, and putting quality over quanity. Some of it was luck too, he told me when I last had a conversation with him about it over the phone. Also he started the business with no help from the government. He began the business with a friend that was doing the same thing, and he teamed up with him. After a few years, he saved his money and got his credit up eventually buying out his friend and business partner. He was a sub-contractor then became contractor having workers as far down south as South Carolina. So when I say that I disagree with someone in here about this topic, I'm writing from experience from watching my brother having nothing to owning a Lamborghini and mansion. In this bad economy his business slowed a little, but not enough where he has to sacrifice. Besides, it's easier to pinch out a turd from a cockroach than it is borrowing money from him. But that's OK, rich or poor I will always love my brother and glad at least one side of the family made it. The thing I noticed is he never gets any sleep and his phone starts ringing at 4AM in the morning. It was neat, he got a pass to go see the players at last years Golf Masters. I hate golf, but if you are a fan of golf I guess that's like meeting the Pope if you're Catholic. So like Rick has been saying like a parot on Prozac, "Manufacturers CAN and SHOULD do a better job of supporting their products and customers." He is absolutely correct. [;)] Pete
Posted on: 8/24/2012 7:50 AM by Author "Jacobs Jasta 7" in the forum "ARF or RTF"
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RE: Hangar 9 Fokker DVII
[quote]ORIGINAL: rowdyjoe Rick and Pete,     You'd be better off making a mold rather than a plug.  With a mold, you can aply the jell-coat before you lay in the FG and have a nice smooth surface that might need wet sanding with 1000 grit SP before painting ...or color the gel coat before applying.  I've seen it done both ways.     Use your current cowl for the master and aply a mold release agent like Pam or some other non-stick spray, secure it in a container much larger than your part.  The plaster needs to be thick and strong so it will be rigid. Pour in the mixed plaster, stir around a bit to eliminate bubbles, and let it set cure.  When it's cured, remove your ''master'' and you have a perfect shape for your first product.  You may have to fill some voids if air bubbles got between the master and the plaster.  Be sure to gently sand them smooth after the repairs cure.  You don't want any plaster on the inside of your master (original cowl).  Be sure to plug the grill opening to keep the plaster out.       Plaster can be found at most craft stores, like Hobby Lobby, and/or model train stores.  It's pretty cheap too.  The FG layup is the tedious part.  Good luck, RJ [/quote] Ahh, Joe- you lost me a little. I'm new to this so I don't have a clue what your talking about, so please forgive me- I won't lie to you about it. I'll research it more before I try anything. I also know the blue foam method works, but that takes a lot of sanding more so than the rest. And then the method Rick stated with the expandable foam. That will take more work and more sanding because if you have a messed up cowl from a crash (like mine) it will have many imperfections that will need sanding out. I kind of like the plug idea because it's made of silicone and the resin doesn't stick to it, just cost way more expensive. I saved my old bashed cowl to practice on making the mold. If the Plug isn't way too expensive then I'll buy that. I figure a plug would take a little practice but I was told they are more forgiving and less likely to mess up. Fiberglass Specialties makes them out of Plugs, and they come out better than the stock cowls in my opinion. Anyway- I have a new hobby now, practicing making discontinued cowls and getting the itches! I worked with jell-coat before when I wet sanded and polished full sized fiberglass boats, but molding fiberglass is brand new for me. I'll look in to all the ideas before making my decision. I started my rebuild thread at RCG, anyone interested you can see it at: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1717309 I have a lot of pictures for those who can't read. [:D] Pete    
Posted on: 8/23/2012 12:56 AM by Author "Jacobs Jasta 7" in the forum "ARF or RTF"
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RE: Check your control surfaces people!
[quote]ORIGINAL: Villa There is a bad habit I see at our field many times. I frequently discuss it with the offender. Many do not take it well. The bad habit is right after they start the engine, they reach over the engine and remove the glow driver. That is very dangerous, but it is not the bad habit I am referring to. Then, they grab their radio and work the controls to see if they move. Then they put the plane on the ground and take off. Well, from the front of the plane we all can tell if the ailerons move, but most people cannot tell that they are moving the WRONG way. Please think about this. Have the responsibility to speak with the offender. He can kill you with his plane. Get into the habit of checking the controls from the rear of the plane. From the front the controls will be backward with respect to the left/right side of the plane. [/quote] I agree with you fully, Villa. But it's how we get the point across that gets people mad or not at you. If they reach around the prop in a unsafe manner then I would right at the time they were doing it say, "Please be careful around the prop- I'd hate to see you hurt by it." It gets better results than acting like a Safety Officer, who was a retired Marine at Boot Camp and had a overdose of steroids for breakfast. For myself, I have seen Safety Officers overdoing it taking the fun out of the hobby for others; being strictly by the book is a bit of a pain. I, on the other hand, feel that if a guy wants to taxi his aircraft from the pits to the field he should be able to do so. Not everyone's back is good and to hunch over his plane and push it out can be just as harmful. If no one is standing in front of you, my club and I see nothing wrong with it, despite what the AMA has in its rules. Not once in my 10 years have I seen a plane go full throttle soon as the plane was set on the ground, and not have the operator be able to close the throttle in time. I'm not saying it can't happen, but it is very, vary rare that it does. But standing in front of the plane or on the side can be dangerous while running and I've seen props shed a blade or 2 in my time. Once I saw a propeller fly off because the bolt and washer wasn't on tight enough, just missing the operator when he started the plane up. Life is full of risks, so it's not up to anyone to hold someones hand like you would a small child, or get all over them like a policeman with a erection when I see something wrong. There is a right way and a wrong way. One Safety Officer from a club I was once a member of would say nothing until it was time for the monthly meeting. Then he would mention it without naming anyone and bring it up in the report. For instance the reversed aileron crash I had, he would say, " Everyone try to make sure you check your control surfaces before every flight. A member of our club only made a throw adjustment and somehow hit the wrong button, on the wrong setting, reversing his ailerons. So check them if you want to keep your plane a little longer." He's been Safety Officer for 4 years and they keep voting him in because he's good at getting the point accross without embarrassing anyone. Pete
Posted on: 8/22/2012 5:39 PM by Author "Jacobs Jasta 7" in the forum "Crash & Rebuild"
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RE: Hangar 9 Fokker DVII
[quote]ORIGINAL: Azzir325 No surprise there. eh buddy? Dave Wigley and Roy Vaillencourt (heard of them?) gave a seminar last year at our club, and making fiberglass parts was one of the subjects. We know it can be done, but speaking for myself, I'd prefer not have to do it. [/quote] No I haven't heard of them, but I did see a few threads where the OP was making cowls out of blue foam and sanding it to shape. Most of them were simple cowls, but the DVII looks a little complicated. Another thing I can do is ask our friends for a copy of the blueprints of the balsa cowl from the BUSA 1/4 scale, and just reduce the scale a bit to make it fit. But I agree, I prefer not to make the cowl, but unfortunately if we want to keep the plane and want to continue flying it we will have to. Professionally they use Plugs to make cowls and to have one made must cost quite a bit. I got my new cowl today and it's in mint condition. I'm looking to find another one so I can use this one to use to make the plug. (if I can find a company to make it at a reasonable cost) If so, then I would have them made, and sell the extra cowls as aftermarket. But again, I don't want to get into the business because I'm afraid this will no longer become a hobby for me. Meaning, I used to build for people for extra cash and after a while It started becoming a job more than a hobby and it no longer gave me enjoyment. Having cash is nice, but I don't center my world around it. I contacted a Plug manufacture and I asked them for a quote. http://www.fiberglasssales.com/index.php/contact_information/ Pete
Posted on: 8/22/2012 4:48 PM by Author "Jacobs Jasta 7" in the forum "ARF or RTF"
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RE: RANT: The
Hey Rick, it's bad news. They say it isn't Horizons fault, but if they own Hanger 9 like they claimed, then it is obvious who is to blame here. I will continue the battle because I'm the type of man if my plane was severly damaged- and I was badly injured knowing I was going to die, I'd find the fatest target owned by the enemy and would slam my plane into it. Meaning- I maybe loosing the battle, but not the war. And as a German American, I don't know when to quit even if it would do me good to do so. Keep the fight going people enough people give a darn, so it is taking effect but slowely. [8D] Here is his email from this morning: [quote][size=3][color=#000099]Peter, Unfortunately we did here back this morning from our vendor and they no longer can make the cowl. Just as I was worried since they have not make it in three years they no longer have the plug. Patrick Brown[/color][/size][/quote] My response: [quote]Hello Patrick, Thank you for taking the time to write me in your busy schedule. How hard is it to have them remake them? So should we just burn our planes and say, ''Oh well, it's only $300 bucks?'' because of what they decided to do? So what happens when the pressure is great enough they decide to come back wiith it (if that were to happen) you would have to start over with a new design? Most of us in our right minds would have kept at least the drawings or CAD just in case if I ran that company, Greatplanes and Sig (your competitors) does that because periodically they come back with long discontinued ARF aircraft by popular demand. So what now, do we just go back to building kits because they seem to continue with product support because we can build and rebuild off of the plans or what? Don't you own Hangar 9? Wouldn't that mean you are the ones in control of the plugs, or have you off-shored the manufacture of the parts to save money? I'm just curious. Would there be a way to make the plugs yourself? I am trying to be professional about this, but at the same time, I'm disappointed - not in you guys specifically, but in the vendors that choose making profit over serving their customer base. I understand you must be disappointed too, when you hear and see all that's going on with the discontinued models. Thank you again for your response. I appreciate it, despite the bad news it contained. Peter Dowling [/quote] So I guess we will have to scratch make our parts or turn them into ''Hanger Queens.'' It's sad, but I don't think our planes should be labled disposable. Wecome to the throw away society and allowing the China manufacturers to dictate the market. I'm not giving up the good fight! Pete
Posted on: 8/22/2012 3:54 PM by Author "Jacobs Jasta 7" in the forum "ARF or RTF"
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RE: Hangar 9 Fokker DVII
Thanks Rick, Bad news. [quote][size=3][color=#000099]Peter, Unfortunately we did here back this morning from our vendor and they no longer can make the cowl. Just as I was worried since they have not make it in three years they no longer have the plug. Patrick Brown[/color][/size][/quote] My response: [quote]Hello Patrick, Thank you for taking the time to write me in your busy schedule. How hard is it to have them remake them? So should we just burn our planes and say, "Oh well, it's only $300 bucks?" because of what they decided to do? So what happens when the pressure is great enough they decide to come back wiith it (if that were to happen) you would have to start over with a new design? Most of us in our right minds would have kept at least the drawings or CAD just in case if I ran that company, Greatplanes and Sig (your competitors) does that because periodically they come back with long discontinued ARF aircraft by popular demand. So what now, do we just go back to building kits because they seem to continue with product support because we can build and rebuild off of the plans or what? Don't you own Hangar 9? Wouldn't that mean you are the ones in control of the plugs, or have you off-shored the manufacture of the parts to save money? I'm just curious. Would there be a way to make the plugs yourself? I am trying to be professional about this, but at the same time, I'm disappointed - not in you guys specifically, but in the vendors that choose making profit over serving their customer base. I understand you must be disappointed too, when you hear and see all that's going on with the discontinued models. Thank you again for your response. I appreciate it, despite the bad news it contained. Peter Dowling [/quote] So I guess we will have to scratch make our parts or tun them into "Hanger Queens" it's sad, but I don't think our planes should be labled disposable. Wecome to the throw away society and allowing the China manufacturers to dictate the market. It's time to build kits again. Pete
Posted on: 8/22/2012 3:31 PM by Author "Jacobs Jasta 7" in the forum "ARF or RTF"
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RE: Check your control surfaces people!
[quote]ORIGINAL: raptureboy Just did this myself on Sunday after rebuilding the wing on my GS Ryan. I went through all the pre flight battery test ect. but even after checking all the contols I still missed the ailerons being reversed. Scared the crap out of me as the plane started banking left a little after liftoff I pushed the stick right and went over left even more, somehow my brain registered what was happening and I pushed the stick back left and got it flying. Had to go around the pattern for a reversed control landing with some cross wind. I made it back in one piece some how. I 'm shaking just thinking about it<img alt='''' src=''http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/fckeditor/editor/images/smiley/msn/what_smile.gif'' />  It just did not register with me when I checked the controls that right was left. <img alt='''' src=''http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/fckeditor/editor/images/smiley/msn/angry_smile.gif'' /> You can't be too careful. [/quote] Wow! Fantastic job! I'm glad you got it back. With me whenever I just do a aileron setup even when I have it right, she will bank a little to the left or right after takeoff. Normally I will compensate by stick until I get the plane high enough, then I'll just trim it out. Unfortunately, I couldn't get the plane high enough to have it register in my brain what was happening. But that's OK, she will fly again and I won't make that mistake again. I was amazed at the support I got fom my club, family and friends. Everyone at my club said it has happened to them at one time or another, and said I wasn't a true ol'timer member until it has atleast happened once. I'm now a part of that club, so if I see it happen to someone else, I can feel the pain and offer encouragement. That's good flying raptureboy. I met a few that were lucky enough to get it back in one piece, and I know how rare it is in this hobby. There should be a hall of fame for that kind of stuff IMO. Pete
Posted on: 8/21/2012 4:19 PM by Author "Jacobs Jasta 7" in the forum "Crash & Rebuild"
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RE: RANT: The
Well Rick, your "Rant" and our push are making things happen with Horizon. 4 years for a fast selling ARF is way too short IMO- the Fokker DVII was only in production for 4 years and they were all sold out in 6 months. The most critical parts was all sold out like the cowl and wheels last week- and it's not even a full year after the ARF was discontinued! We people who love our ARF aircraft and have become attached to them shouldn't suffer because of the lack of customer support, just because of the decisions that were made by the company. It is good advertisement to keep a airplane flying, and there's no reason why only Kits get the product support and we don't. Again I know how to build, but I like buying a ARF when the right one is made and it fits my personality, I get that wonderful gleam in my eye and I wouldn't think twice about shelling out $400 for it. So Azzir, we are winning the battle, now let's pray that we win the war. So now, Horizon just contacted Hanger9 to bring back the cowl mold and they are waiting for the answer. Here is the nice email I got: [quote][color=#000066][size=3][b]Peter, We are very happy you love the planes so much and we too are always sorry to see planes go away and get discontinued. Our product developers have so much passion and personal stake in our product that often times we hold out as long as we can before making the decision because we too love the airplanes that much. Often what will drive a product to be discontinued is reduced selling rate, price increase, and sometimes maybe a product has just lived out their life cycle. When ever we decided to discontinue an item we do order enough replacement parts to support the demand for a multiple years (two to three) so we can continue to service customers needs, but when parts run out we usually cannot order more. Our vendor often destroys the cowl plugs, wood building fixtures, etc so they no longer take up space as they make room for the new items. Unfortunately for whatever reason people seemed to buy up all of our cowls even though we expected to have enough to fulfill a much longer demand period. The sad part is usually when parts run out we have to live by our decision we made before for what quantities of spares we thought would last us for a few years and often things are unpredictable. You think you ordered plenty of spares only to find for unknown reasons the demand doubled and you find yourself running out much earlier than you planned. Even at the point of two or three or four years down the road when you sell your last part that is still left, customers still will complain and in most cases there is just nothing we can do when a vendor will not make more. We understand the frustration from our customers and empathize. Today our purchasing person did email our vendor to ask if there was anyway they still had the plugs to make additional cowls since these ran our so much faster than we had planned for support. I can let you know once I here the answer Patrick Brown Category Development Manager, Hangar 9 & E-flite[/b][/size][/color] [/quote] So folk's they get it! Now we must work on Greatplanes to get that nice 60 DR1 back or at least some of the parts to be made again. The full email correspondence can be read here between Horizon and I for those who are interrested. Besides the emails, I made several phone calls and the listened intently, often making them question their decisions and actions. It's not to cause problems, but to plant a idea that maybe they haven't thought of and asking them to take a chance in what I'm asking because I am sure about this matter when it comes to the Hanger9 Camel and Fokker DVII. http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_7046813/mpage_49/tm.htm Keep up the good work people, now lets not let Horizon or Greatplanes hanging when they do make another batch of parts. Let's buy them up for personal reserve and make them all understand there is money to be made by selling parts. If 3rd parties aren't willing to do it, like Fiberglass Specialties because of greed, then maybe the stock suppliers can do it for extra money, and for the love they have for the hobby along with standing by their products. In return they can give us back a thank you by making some discontinued parts because of our loyalty, and by keeping their products in use. Most of the time, the companies do read threads like this, and scoff it off because everyone says the parts are in high demand, and when they invest to have the molds made, or brought back, and then order a bunch of the parts, they are only lucky to maybe sell 2 a year in most cases. Well, they can't scoff off what we've been doing Rick, the sales speak for itself on this one. Business is about risk and if they aren't going to take a chance from time to time, they can either win by making the parts, or they can loose by making parts. If the sales were so good to begin with, especially when the parts are flying off the shelves (pardon the pun) they should review their original decision. We have too many people in the hobby business including those who came in this thread that have it all wrong, and that's why the hobby is going backwards IMO. And this is just a sample of what part of the reason why the American economy is slacking over time. It is time to bring back some of the old ways that worked, and quit trying new ideas that don't. Enough said! Pete
Posted on: 8/21/2012 4:06 PM by Author "Jacobs Jasta 7" in the forum "ARF or RTF"
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RE: Hangar 9 Fokker DVII
[size=2][color=#990000]GOOD NEWS[/color]![/size] This is what I got from my push and begging from Horizon. It took me constantly pestering and making phone calls, and I know some of you are doing the same. Please don't give up people. I'll start with my first letter and I write: [quote]From: PCD [mailto:pdowling2@twcny.rr.com] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 7:58 PM To: Horizon Hobby
Posted on: 8/21/2012 3:10 PM by Author "Jacobs Jasta 7" in the forum "ARF or RTF"
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RE: Hangar 9 Fokker DVII
Hey Rick, my club was very sympathetic as well, and I thank you and Joe. I guess it does happen to most of us and we try to learn from it. I'm going to use a check list for now on. It hurts when you had a plane for so long and it doesn't matter to me if it's a ARF, I got attached to it and it is my second favorite plane. Also, what makes it hurt even more was the fault was entirely on me, and I should have known better. I think I have my foot stuck up my butt because I keep kicking it too hard when I think about it what happened. But with my skills and talent loaned by God, and support from my loving wife, I can rebuild everything on the plane even the top wing. But what I'm going to do is use a spare top wing I had when I first flew it. (Covering started to pull from edges on that wing, so I just stripped the original 3 years ago, and I still have it. It's just waiting to be cleaned and recovered.) The crushed top wing- I have on my shelf and it can be fixed that you saw in the video. the main spar did not break, so when I'm done doing my rebuild and modification, I'll fix the wing like it never even happened. I too saved the old cowl. I plan on making a mold out of blue foam, shaping it exactly to the old cowl and will try to make one myself. Just trying to figure out where I can find the screen mesh that's on the front of the cowl Hanger9 used is another question. I'm also planning on making a workable shock tailskid and it will have a pull-pull system for the rudder and elevator. I love this faze of the building part because my brain is hard at work the design. (I just have to make sure I don't paint myself in the corner) My plane is now all bare bones now thanks to my trusted heat gun and safety razor, I didn't break a darn thing. [8D] I should be starting my rebuild thread at RCG soon, maybe tomorrow. I have to clean up a little and get the camera ready, I also have corn starch all over my table and floor, not to mention I have shop clutter everywhere. Some old fuel did work it's way in the landing gear legs and bottom of the plane under the covering near the cowl, so I'm slowely pulling out the oil from the wood. I figure a few days of that along with elbo grease and a little acetone, I should be OK. All the paint and detail work has all been removed as well. I just ordered the wing struts, and WB 1/6 scale spandaus to mix with the Hanger9 guns to make it 1/5 scale. I did it on the Dr1 if you guys remember? Glad you had a good time Rick, your Taylorcraft looks nice and you flew it well. On camera your DR1 looks fantastic and you handled that very well. Your landing was also very good! [8D] After a while you will get used to those new tires. Actually the GP stock tires were not scale and was too big, but it did help with the ground control and they were lighter. The 1/5 scale vintage tires you have on it is scale, just doesn't match what was used on the DR1 because the spokes on the rims didn't show- if you know what I mean. But while it is flying or at a distance, most people can't tell, and it will do IMO. Pete
Posted on: 8/21/2012 1:27 AM by Author "Jacobs Jasta 7" in the forum "ARF or RTF"
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RE: Check your control surfaces people!
[quote]ORIGINAL: RC MANIAC119 Dude....I have to ask..........what does that mean ''your hand accidently hit the switch, reversing the aileron servo's''???? I have been flying RC for 40 years, and in all that time, I have NEVER had ANY servo on ANY switch, that would reverse it in flight!! Now maybe you plugged the aileron servo's in, in the wrong spot on the receiver, I've done that........BUT A SWITCH??? Please explain what you mean..........[X(] [/quote] Not to be a wize arse, but people can have 50 years and it could happen. I have seen a guy who has been flying since the 1950's with a early AMA number do it once at a club I once belonged to. (Nicest guy you would ever want to meet and he wasn't cocky like some Ol'timers I know) For your info I'm not a spring chicken if you know what I mean, even though you might have 30 years on me. So let's stop the BS. I have a JRSX600 and the way you get to the settings you get it to ailerons, then push the left switch down until you scroll down to aileron travel adjustment on the face. While I was redoing my throws ( the recommendations in the original directions was to little, role rate was horrible) I accidently hit the wrong button and didn't know I did it because my eyes were on the manual control throw meter on the wing, not on the radio for that split second. I looked back at my radio and I noticed I was adjusting the trim all of a sudden, and [color=#660000]Not[/color] travel adjustment. So I put my trim back on "0" like it originally was and got it back to travel adustment- not knowing that I hit the reverse aileron setting when it went up to trim. So you see, you can have 60 years in and still screw up. Just because you have 40, 30, 20 or 10 years in doesn't mean you know everything in this hobby. It can happen to anybody and most everyone I met has one time or another missed catching the reversed ailerons. It just took me 10 years to join that club. I too used to boast that in my 10 years I hadn't ever done it, and scoffed at anyone that did it. Well- what comes around goes around and it finally bit me in the arse. I boast no more! I originally had planned on highly modifying and "Bashing this plane to be even more realistic and scale this winter, but because of my "Duh" moment, I have now already started the project a few months early. Both of my planes made Page 82. in the March issue (Pearl Harbor Addition) because my "Bashed" Fokker DR1 got a lot of attention at one of the shows I attended. If any of you seen my work with my GP Fokker Dr1, then you would know this crash ain't nothing, but I learned so much. Yes, next time I will bring a check list and follow it everytime I fly. ( I do it when I fly the full size so why not) It's a good idea because you never know when you might get a little distracted and for a split second not pay attention. As you can see, this sort of thing can happen. Let me reiterate- All I did was adjust my control rate in the ailerons a few weeks earlier. Normally from doing that it wouldn't switch the servos to reverse. But because my hand hit the wrong button, eyes on the plane not being aware- voila! So in other words, my hand accidently hit the reverse servo switch function. Same as reverse servo switch where I come from. I posted this to teach everyone that this can happen to you, so always check your control surfaces. My pain can be another ones gain and don't ever be complacent like I was. 10,20,30,40 years don't mean a darn thing to me. When I think I know it all, or feel that I'm too good to think things won't happen, I'll quit the hobby because by then I will have stopped learning. And please Frank, don't call me Dude- I have a name. [8|] Pete
Posted on: 8/21/2012 12:35 AM by Author "Jacobs Jasta 7" in the forum "Crash & Rebuild"
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RE: Pre-Maiden Jitters
[quote]ORIGINAL: countilaw The best way to get rid of the   maiden flight jitters is to learn to fly,   and learn to fly correctly.   Too many  new pilots  get planes that are above their  ability  to fly.     I see too many  new  comers buying   mustangs,  P-40s,  and the like thinking they can fly them.    It's best to start with a trainer and getting good with it.   Then moving to a more  intermediat plane and getting good with it.    Once you are good at the controls and you have cofidence in your ability,  the jitters go away.    You then  experience  ''excitment''.    Frank [/quote] I agree to a point Frank, everyones learning curve is different, and it's not up to anyone to say if he or she is ready to handle whatever plane IMO. I've seen newbies on a warbird the second year in, and not crash it. I've been flying about 10 years and I still get the jitters at times. Also I fly scale and some of my planes have taken a year to build. Also every first flight of every Spring my hands start to sweat a little. So to the OP I say you are right where your supposed to be and it is OK. I read somewhere someone older with a heart condition got a heart attack flying his RC airplane for the first time. He started feeling pains in his chest, managed to land the plane safely then dropped dead. It's rare, I wouldn't worry about it. Just focus on your airplane and watch what it does. Practice keeping your wings level and practice keeping your turns smooth. Remember to be nice and easy with your control movements (keep it smooth and gental). If it seems too much, just yell and have someone take over that has more experience. Another thing you can do is teather up with a instructor just in case. Me if I get stage fright at a big event, I just try to picture everyone naked. [:D] Pete
Posted on: 8/20/2012 4:29 PM by Author "Jacobs Jasta 7" in the forum "Beginners"
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Check your control surfaces people!
I explain in the video what happened. If anyone has seen my Discontinued GP Fokker Dr1 rebuild and "bash" thread; http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_10038870/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm then you will be amazed on what is done to this bird by this winter. No matter how small of a adjustment is made in your radios, make sure you check your controls before flight. Someone was talking to me when I was assembling the plane for flight and I was side tracked. I'm not blaming him- I'm blaming myself because I should have known better no matter what, I think that's why it hurts so much. [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjq0Aaj69wo&feature=plcp[/youtube] I have already stipped the covering and removed all items from this aircraft. I will be starting a rebuid and bash thread at RC Groups in a few days. Pete
Posted on: 8/20/2012 3:43 PM by Author "Jacobs Jasta 7" in the forum "Crash & Rebuild"
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RE: Hangar 9 Fokker DVII
[quote]ORIGINAL: rowdyjoe Great Pete.  Glad you found one.  I hope no one beat you to it.  I was going to throw my damaged cowl out but, I think I'll keep it and repair it.  It won't look great but, it will fit and and do the job.  Glad I ordered the new one when I did.  I had a hunch I'd be needing one and ordered it ''just in case''.   RJ [/quote] I got it Joe, they sent me a letter confirming it and it's on the way. Good news, my phone call complaint and emails are moving forward up the chain of command. [quote]Peter, the cowl has been discontinued and we are not getting any more in at this time. Your comments have been forwarded to the Hangar 9 team for review and maybe sometime in the future we may have something to help you. Hope it helps and have a great day. Thank You, Dennis Davenport Horizon Hobby Online Division 800-338-4639 [/quote] While I'm being a pain in everyones butt I ask that you all continue with your push to have Horizon to bring this plane back or make a another round of parts. The issue is many on the forums say a product is in high demand, but when it comes to brass tax, they don't order anything or complain- leaving us who really need the stuff stranded, and the manufacturer stuck with the bill. It seems no one really cares about ARF aircraft and it seems only the kits are mostly always supported because people build or rebuild off the blueprints. Fiberglass Specialties declined my offer of giving him my new cowl and making a mold from it. He thinks he will only sell maybe 2 a year and that's not profitable. I kept my mouth shut because I was itching to ask him if selling 2 cowls a year was any better then selling no cowls at all, but I just listened to what he had to say even though I think he's more into the money like the rest. Anyway, I test flew the Fokker yesterday- here is the result: [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjq0Aaj69wo&feature=plcp[/youtube] Pete
Posted on: 8/20/2012 1:43 PM by Author "Jacobs Jasta 7" in the forum "ARF or RTF"
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RE: RANT: The
[quote]ORIGINAL: Azzir325 Happy to hear from my favorite (prop) wornout and (joe) bawling whiney trolls! Hi Fellers! The wheels are quite round, but smaller and heavier, so they make ground handling a tad more difficult. BTW: Manufacturers CAN and SHOULD do a better job of supporting their products and customers. [/quote] Amen! +1 all the way. It's time for all of the dealers, 3rd parties and companies to get back doing it out of the love for the hobby- more than what kind of quick buck they can make. Pete
Posted on: 8/20/2012 1:29 PM by Author "Jacobs Jasta 7" in the forum "ARF or RTF"
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