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RE: I cannot dispute this statement
Interesting, that.... I don't know the Xs and Os of it, except it creates a bit of a seperation and drag there. I know what the effects are. It helps smooth out the choppy bumps in severe turbulence. It also acts like expo, helps keeping the wings "feeling" centered and set. Of course, if you go too far, bad things happen. What exactly can depend on way too many variables to list, but the first thing I noticed was snaps got a little more difficult to nail fast and accurately. Like it took more to stall the wing to induce the snap. But, if you play with the airfoil thickness you can tweak that part too. To a certain extent. I noticed one designer (Hebert) using a tapered angle trailing edge. That's pretty interesting to me. Back to the thick TE, the late Jim Ivey and I did some field tests on this. We flew at a field notorious for bumpy turbulence above the trees. Our planes were bumping around quite a bit. Bruce Thoman had an (Osmose?) with thick TEs and it didn't exhibit this particular trait. (May it RIP). We then glued some stock to the TEs of one of Jim's planes and tried it out....and it worked. Been using a form of it ever since. The only question is how much, and where. -M
Posted on: 10/13/2009 9:48 PM by Author "MHester"
in the forum "Pattern Flying"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9171220
RE: I cannot dispute this statement
I'll try this again...... THANK YOU GUYS! Nuff said. -M
Posted on: 10/13/2009 7:56 PM by Author "MHester"
in the forum "Pattern Flying"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9170887
RE: Extreme Flight Vanquish 2M?
Uhhhh.......... Welp, I saw the 2 Vanquishes at Huntsville. Up close. I was supposed to fly it, but when I got out of the judges chair, they were put up. No joy. The Evolution and the vanquish basically came from the same place/person. I'm talking about the design not the construction. The construction looks awesome BTW, although I have some reservations about the current way the front end is built. It's probably fine, and it's not the final version. Overall quality of these prototyopes are everything one would expect from Extreme Flight. The vanquish IS an evolution of the Evolution per se. It went something like this: Virtuoso (one prototype, is currently in my attic) Rock N Roll (what the production version of the Virtuoso became) Evolution (A more pattern refined version of the design) Vanquish (the next step in the design series so to speak). The designs all came from pretty much the same place, and they don't suck. Chris has had a lot of input from a few F3A pilots. So far he's done a bang up job. My prediction: it'll become the next Focus....rather, it will fill that area of the market so to speak. And since Chris seems to have a lot of pull with the 3D community, don't be suprised to see a few more of those guys trying pattern because of this plane. That could be a good thing or a bad one, sorta depends LOL If someone wants to jump in and fly pattern in that price range, this would be the plane I'd recommend. It's the best I've seen so far. -Mike
Posted on: 10/9/2009 11:08 PM by Author "MHester"
in the forum "Pattern Flying"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9160788
RE: D2 Championships Winson Salem
I'll be there Friday afternoon. And yes, I have a present for you Don [:D] -Mike
Posted on: 9/30/2009 3:38 AM by Author "MHester"
in the forum "Pattern Flying"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9135087
RE: Black Magic VF3 Build Thread
"Busy" doesn't even cover it.....LOL Just got back from a day trip to NC. Over 1500 emails since I left for the nats, all legit (no spam). Needless to say it's taking time to go through and answer them all... Hint: cell phone if it's imortant [;)] number is on my site. I suspect you're missing the PDFs for the wing, stab and fuse? Easy fix. If Pete doesn't get you fixed up, call me... -Mike
Posted on: 7/28/2009 7:36 PM by Author "MHester"
in the forum "Pattern Flying"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=8971771
RE: 41st Annual Rocket City Pattern Contest Huntsville, AL
Welp since this contest would mark Gary and Chris's first masters contest, and with the addition of Greg, Arch and Steve, I'd say all in all it looks like a fun one not to miss [:D] I'll be there! -Mike
Posted on: 7/22/2009 10:33 PM by Author "MHester"
in the forum "Pattern Flying"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=8956310
RE: Black Magic VF3 Build Thread
[quote]ORIGINAL: Doug Cronkhite I really need to build one of these. [/quote] Yes, you do [:D] -Mike
Posted on: 7/21/2009 9:00 AM by Author "MHester"
in the forum "Pattern Flying"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=8951383
RE: Black Magic VF3 Build Thread
[size=4]ATTA BOY!!!!!![/size] News flash! VF3s take top 5 wood in all 4 classes at the nats!!!! Don Szczur: 5th place FAI Arch Stafford: 2nd place masters Chris Odom: 2nd place Advanced Dean Funk: 5th place intermediate Dean Funk: Coucours de Elegance, Grand Champion!!!!!! So, congrats to all of you, including the guys who flew well and didn't make the top 5. Too many to list! We came very close to the win in a couple of classes. Masters especially could have gone either way, and I am VERY proud (no other word to use) of Arch for putting up those ice cold flights against the strongest masters class I have ever seen....ever. Now we gear up for 2010. Beginning NOW. (Ok after I sleep for a week LOL) I just had to say how happy you guys made me this last week. You have no idea. -Mike
Posted on: 7/19/2009 9:23 AM by Author "MHester"
in the forum "Pattern Flying"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=8945743
RE: USA AMA NSRCA Pattern Nats Muncie Indiana
Hmmmm what first, congrats or controversy? I'll take congrats for $500 Alex... Congrats to all of the competitors. Some of the best flying I have ever seen in ALL classes. Special congrats to the winners...Andrew (it's about time), Tony, Gary, and Riley (welcome to pattern!) Congrats to Don for making it back into the finals. Congrats to Chris Odom for flying the best I have ever seen him fly. Congrats to all of the new kids (yes like what 6-7 of them????) in intermediate. Congrats to my bro Dean for winning the Concours by 1 vote (!!) and flying from deep in the pack to finish in the wood. And a HUGE atta boy to Arch Stafford, who put up some really world class flights against some really world class competition in nasty wind in the finals. Arch won the first 2 rounds of the finals, it was much closer than it looks. It seriously could have gone either way. I had a blast even though I wasn't flying. I think finals day I was more on pins and needles than any flights I have ever personally made during the previous nats. Frack, Arch, George, etc put up some awesome flights. So ok that brings me to the controversy....err one part anyway. Someone touched on how FAI gets the spotlight. It's true for sure. It's considered the top class and it is what everyone seems to be interested in. That's natural. What gets me is how the other classes seem to get overlooked. This year was a perfect example. The flying in Masters was easily as good (and closer!) than the flying in FAI, but not much has been mentioned. But hey at least it did get mentioned this year! LOL... but also the flying in intermediate and advanced also went down to the last day for the wins. And the forums etc are just as guilty. Although again it is better this year, I hope due to the quality of the flying and interest. I try to spend the lion's share of my time on site 4 for a reason. These guys are the future of pattern. These guys deserve our attention. Nuff said. As for the pilot with the weight issue...I'll comment since I was sitting a few feet away. in general I'll say that nobody wants to disqualify anyone over a technical issue if they can avoid it. You guys forgot to mention a certain FAI pilot that they let change a few items to make weight as well. It has become common practice in the last few years, and I don't think it'll fly next year. I can say for absolute certain the masters pilot in question had NO IDEA he was overweight since he was flying a borrowed plane. And it has been mentioned before he's a great guy and nobody really wants to see him DQ'd. But SHOULD he be? technically, yes....and it pains me to say it because of the placings were set between the poles, not on the scales. Personally if I were in second place and the first place guy got DQd for being overweight by 2 ounces, I would drop that first place trophy in the garbage right after I got it. But that's just me... Over the past few years I have seen it all. People changing equipment, taking knives to planes to make length, setting conditions to make sound, you name it. in my opinion, next year, we need to make the scales and measuring stick readily available like under the gazebo at site 1 all week. So if you wanna know, there's no excuse not to know. And if you fail, that's it, you're DQd and you deserve it. Trouble is right now people know they have wiggle room and they intend to wiggle if it comes down to it. I will NOT point fingers and accuse and blame because it's simply not any one person's fault. But the solution is simple. Let it be known that next year we will follow this one to the letter and that's that. if you protest, you'll most likely win it. State the intent early and this won't be an issue. With that being said, I thought generally the Nats were run very well. We were severely short handed this year in case anyone missed that one. My wife had to do sound checks for god's sake. Like she doesn't do enough already. (but she enjoyed it and didn't mind at all). And on that note, after much discussion on how sound checks work, DQing someone for failing sound by a decibel or whatever won't work. There are WAY too many variables involved. And not everyone has a perfectly calibrated meter before hand. Add wind and it gets louder. And louder.... But I don't want a fantastic nats to get drowned in controversy. Where it matters most is between the poles, and this one had it ALL. Next year, watch out masters, I'm back..... [:D] -Mike
Posted on: 7/19/2009 9:06 AM by Author "MHester"
in the forum "Pattern Flying"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=8945716
RE: Black Magic VF3 Build Thread
I told you so. LOL Anyway you're welcome and very cool. Just a head's up: if I'm a little hard to get in touch with over the next week, I have a bum finger and I'm under the gun in the shop. if it's important just leave a message and I'll get back with ya. -Mike
Posted on: 6/25/2009 8:36 PM by Author "MHester"
in the forum "Pattern Flying"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=8881166
RE: Duralite Batteries (Buyers Beware)
[quote]ORIGINAL: dreadnaut I am sorry for dentdocs loss, but a question arises in my mind; one that I am surprized has not come up yet in this thread. Did this incident occur before, after, or was it part of the cause of the endless product warnings about not charging lithium batteries indoors, and untended? [/quote] Answering you, but not specifically directed at you.... Before, and was one of the causes. The paperwork that accompanied the batteries touted "charge safe" technology and used the words "perfectly safe". Nowhere was it mentioned that there was any danger whatsoever. it was sold originally as PERFECTLY SAFE. Obviously looking back, it was anything but safe. Now we have warning after warning and years worth of them. It's now as common knowledge as a spinning prop. At the time of the fire in question, it wasn't. Ya know, things break, dookie happens. Everyone makes mistakes. But I am suprised that from my understanding no attempt has ever been made to pay the judgement whatsoever, and years after it's just a minor hiccup and business as usual. If I am wrong on this why has nobody set the record straight? dentdoc (Cameron) doesn't type well and as you can tell was deeply emotionally affected by this. Put yourself in his shoes. He and I have had our differences but this subject has never been one of them. I really don't want to get into a lengthy debate about this because I have already been down that road, and I know where it ends. The majority of people just don't care. They don't want to care. My message back then was simple: BEWARE THEY CAN BE DANGEROUS (long before the written warnings that come with every lithium battery since then). I got crucified for it. I just posted here to back up a few facts. Period. Look at the pics. Speculate all you want (not you in particular dread). It really doesn't matter to me what people think. if you're right, nothing happens. If you're wrong, you wake up dead. Not my problem either way. I run li-ions now but they aren't Duralites. I know the risks and I take precautions. That's the beginning and the end of my involvement. Fly safe! -Mike
Posted on: 6/25/2009 5:55 PM by Author "MHester"
in the forum "Electric Pattern Aircraft"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=8880805
RE: Brian Hebert's new F3A Design - Valiant
Somebody catch that cat and put it back in the bag!!! Oh well now that it's out..... 1st you're more than welcome Bryan. Wish I could have done more for you. Now I have access to a laser scanner and lots of CNC stuff....wish I would have had access to it back then. Secondly I'll say if you liked the Quest, this might be the plane you've been looking for. It has very Quest-like styling. I know that Bryan is flight testing this bird and making sure it flies right and the construction works, that's why the "secrecy". You'd be suprised how many planes go to market without ever being tested, or not being tested enough. Those are the ones with well documented issues after the fact. Another reason for "secrecy" is you wouldn't believe how many people will bug you asking questions if they know you're working on something new/cool. Don't get me wrong, it's great! But it's also extremely time consuming. Unless you don't answer, and then you're being a "jerk". if you're under the gun, it's best to just keep it hushed up until the hard work is done. I learned that one the hard way [;)] I can't wait to see this one in person. It's an interesting design that is a bit different in style than what else is out there. All you can do when the cat gets out of the bag like this is try and lighten the mood. I'm sure Jon intended no harm whatsoever. But he's still on double secret probation..... -Mike
Posted on: 6/25/2009 9:17 AM by Author "MHester"
in the forum "Pattern Flying"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=8879590
RE: Brian Hebert's new F3A Design - Valiant
Oh crap not the red flashy thin................. Those were some pretty cool pics of swamp gas and refracted light. Why'd they take em down? -M
Posted on: 6/24/2009 5:36 PM by Author "MHester"
in the forum "Pattern Flying"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=8877923
RE: Brian Hebert's new F3A Design - Valiant
Sorry guys, just trying to lighten the mood. I'm sure when it's ready we'll all get the low down. but that's why I don't allow cameras around my new projects. As soon as the first picture is taken, you may as well put it on the front page of the news. We're a small group and word travels like lightning. Pics travel faster than that. But no I hadn't seen that page before Jon posted the link (thanks bro!) -Mike
Posted on: 6/24/2009 12:32 PM by Author "MHester"
in the forum "Pattern Flying"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=8877155
RE: Brian Hebert's new F3A Design - Valiant
[quote]ORIGINAL: jonlowe This is sort of like Animal House around here after all, isn't it?! [/quote] [size=7]TOGA!!! TOGA!!!!!![/size]
Posted on: 6/24/2009 12:06 PM by Author "MHester"
in the forum "Pattern Flying"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=8877107
RE: Your biggest
[quote]ORIGINAL: 2Sunny Fantastic replies dudes! I am learning more here for free than I could in months on my own! Anyways, here's my tiny addition from today. . . I was having trouble coming out of my stall turns on the right angle, altitude, and with the appropriate curve so I started climbing higher on my verticals and then focusing on where I wanted to END UP on my pull outs. Suddenly I was dramatically improving the precision of my lines. That's it for me today . . . not much . . . but just a tid-bit for beginners like me[;)] Joe [/quote] Pay close attention to the vertical-ness of the lines too. That's another common defect. Strike vertical and draw it out. After the turn make SURE you strike a vertical downline and stay there. Another tendancy is to pinch the exit radius at the bottoms. This usually comes from not starting the radius early enough. To add to what Derek said, if you're correcting for a crosswind on the way up, when the plane pivots CROSS the rudder to avoid the dreaded pendulum and preset the correction. -Mike
Posted on: 6/24/2009 10:20 AM by Author "MHester"
in the forum "Pattern Flying"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=8876846
RE: Typhoon vs typhoon
Those look like either the 900s or the 1000. if the fuse isn't 78" long it's not a 2+2 or a 2000 for sure. The numbers were for the wing area. by comparison, the 2000 had a wing area of 1150 inches. HUGE. The cowling attach was generally up to the builder. The older ones were meant to have a fully removable cowl. The chin cowl came into play later. Most likely with the use of a nose ring? just guessing. -M
Posted on: 6/24/2009 10:16 AM by Author "MHester"
in the forum "Pattern Flying"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=8876835
RE: Black Magic VF3 Build Thread
The rudder is only as effective as the servo. The stronger the servo, the stronger the rudder. If you want to be able to carve that integrated 2 roll half loop then you need the power. it also affects the snap somewhat. A stronger faster rudder will snap more violently than a weaker slower one. Actually this is the one surface on this plane where I have to say don't skimp on a servo at all. You can get away with murder on the ailerons and elevator...not the rudder. -Mike
Posted on: 6/24/2009 9:30 AM by Author "MHester"
in the forum "Pattern Flying"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=8876711
RE: Brian Hebert's new F3A Design - Valiant
That's because Jon's now on DOUBLE SECRET PROBATION!!!!!!! -Mike
Posted on: 6/24/2009 9:26 AM by Author "MHester"
in the forum "Pattern Flying"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=8876703
RE: Typhoon vs typhoon
if you had a 2000 you would know. It dwarfs the rest of them. I scratch built quite a few back in the day. Nice plane! Would still kick tail in the lower classes. -Mike
Posted on: 6/24/2009 8:31 AM by Author "MHester"
in the forum "Pattern Flying"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=8876585
RE: Brian Hebert's new F3A Design - Valiant
[size=5][color=#FF0000]SECURITY BREACH!!!!!![/color][/size] LOL Well, it came out nice anyway [:D] -Mike
Posted on: 6/23/2009 6:18 PM by Author "MHester"
in the forum "Pattern Flying"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=8874992
RE: Black Magic VF3 Build Thread
Thanks dude, I was just digging around for pics! That one shows what I was looking for. I am gonna add some red and change up the design....slightly. But that was one plane I could SEE!!!! So yeah trying to keep it simple and clean. 4 days, 5 tops. -Mike
Posted on: 6/22/2009 4:58 PM by Author "MHester"
in the forum "Pattern Flying"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=8872043
RE: Black Magic VF3 Build Thread
Nope don't feel bad. The one thing you may be overlooking: I probably have 100 planes I could borrow, thanks to the great friends I have out there. But it's not MINE. The plane you have wasn't built for me, so it's not mine either. I want my plane. Mine, my own. So it's done when it's done.... But of course, thanks anyway. I would have just said no. -Mike
Posted on: 6/22/2009 1:53 PM by Author "MHester"
in the forum "Pattern Flying"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=8871629
RE: Duralite Batteries (Buyers Beware)
Cameron's story is 100% fact. The story you guys heard came from me, years ago. I built the plane that the pack was installed in. it was a scratch built typhoon 2000, all balsa built up. Glassed and painted. Now let's make SURE this record is clear: Cameron came over on that Monday night to pick up the plane. I didn't install the pack, but recall Cameron doing so. I remember him reading the instructions and Stating aloud which lead went where, so it was installed according to the manufacturer's directions. It wasn't charged until he got home, so in a court of law under cross examination, COULD it have gotten plugged in backwards between here and there? Sure, but the chance is less than .0000000000001% And yes he used the Duralite charger that came with it. At the time, lithium Ion batteries were brand spanking new. I mean like maybe a month old. Next morning I get a phone call about 7:30Am, Cameron is in his driveway in his underwear, his house is on fire and he and his (now wife) had to move into a motel (if I recall) while the house was repaired/cleaned/rebuilt. And yes he got a judgement, no they never paid, and yes they left the country. As far as I know they have an outstanding judgement that they have never paid and obviously have no intent of ever doing so. This is just simple fact, nothing more. Personally I have never sent Duralite one red cent and never will, ever. I think it sucks for Cameron, but understand that I have nothing to gain or lose from this at all. I simply choose not to do business with them. Just like Chip said....buyer beware. This particular case is a lot more serious than an ARF that the wing was crooked or some crap like that. This was potentially deadly. -Mike
Posted on: 6/22/2009 1:43 PM by Author "MHester"
in the forum "Electric Pattern Aircraft"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=8871611
RE: Black Magic VF3 Build Thread
Looks like you're gonna beat me Bill. I'll be lucky to get mine done before the Nats. But I never say die!!!! it took me the better part of May just to get the parts made (cores cut, kits done, etc). Didn't really start sheeting or glueing anything until the first week of June. I'm gonna see if 2 VF3s can be built and painted in a month. Just heard my tech Aero reg is on the way. Paint should be here this week, and I am cheating...Arch is covering my wings and stabs for me. Ok not cheating THAT much, I'm painting his fuse beside mine. Anybody wanna come down and help me sand primer next week? The plan is to roll out 2 brand new planes in exactly 2 weeks. One for me, one for Archie. if I can't get the glass on by next weekend, all bets are off. Looks ok so far, but that last bit of sanding is gonna sting. When this is over, I'm busting a case of Heineken. LOL -Mike
Posted on: 6/22/2009 9:33 AM by Author "MHester"
in the forum "Pattern Flying"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=8870960
RE: D3 Contest, Harvest, AL, June 20-21
Wow that's really cool of jon!!! Also congrats to Jon for his first masters win! And uh, congrats to Wingo for his first avdanced win [8D] I know what you mean about AC. if he was flying as good or better than Andersonville, that's going to be fun to watch in a few weeks! Sorry I couldn't make it, but, I have my hands full down here. Might be beating a dead horse, then again I may pull off a miracle. We'll see. See ya all soon! -Mike
Posted on: 6/21/2009 2:00 PM by Author "MHester"
in the forum "Pattern Flying"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=8869207
RE: Pattern Kit Decision
Still on hold. Will be until after the Nats. I have no plane and I can't stand it! -M
Posted on: 6/18/2009 1:32 PM by Author "MHester"
in the forum "Pattern Flying"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=8862280
RE: Pattern Kit Decision
You're definitely the sort of person I'd LOVE to see win this kit!!!! A basic VF3 kit is $454 shipped, but you still need a few more things. It's cheaper than most, but it's not dirt cheap. The other side of that equation is the power needed...it's HUGE and draggy. An OS 160 is minimum. However George Miller has been expirementing with a gas converted OS 160 and it has plenty of power. You couldn't go wrong with an Insight. It's a slightly older design but they do fly great. It also requires less power. That would be my vote if a VF3 is out of range at the moment. in fact if you're on a tight budget, it's my first choice. Good luck! -Mike
Posted on: 6/18/2009 10:24 AM by Author "MHester"
in the forum "Pattern Flying"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=8861854
RE: Magic VF3 building thread
Jim, I've read Don's line by line pro/con of this Canalizer on this plane so far. if there was ever a design that could spark WW3 over the use of a Canlizer, this is the one LOL Keep in mind this is an experiment, and I appreciate the feedback. Don seems to like it so far. But reading the pros vs cons on what it does to THIS airframe, it gets cloudy. I know some planes improve across the board. This is not that plane. I knew it wasn't from day one. or had a strong suspiscion. Yes it does something, but it's not all positive. I think that's what Arch meant. I know what he's worried about, that people will see it and think "Oh NO I have to have one on mine or it won't fly right!" Uhhh no. In fact, HECK no. I think it's neat that he's trying it out, and being objective about all of it. But he hasn't posted his results here, only pics. Having read the results, the jury is still WAY out. The only thing that matters to me is whether or not DON likes it. On his particular plane. he'd be the first to tell you this design is one of the best out there. But the other thing he didn;t mention is, I'm working on something new...have been for a long time, and I need more info, all I can get. Good, bad, ugly, whatever. Don has helped me immensely in that regard. But so has Archie. And recently even Chip to some extent. If I have learned ANYTHING about designing planes, it's that no 2 people like the same thing. Pattern above all else is very personal and particular when it comes to set up and feel. My challenge is making a plane that can be adjusted to cover the largest swath of that spectrum as possible. That's a razor's edge balance and it's not easy. So, relax guys....it's experimental, and it's cool that he's trying it out. if he likes it, then great! If he doesn't, I'm sure he'll remove it. -Mike
Posted on: 6/18/2009 10:13 AM by Author "MHester"
in the forum "Team RCU - Don Szczur"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=8861830
RE: Black Magic VF3 Build Thread
Don failed to mention he has a pair of Focus wings on the plane because it was too slow for him. The canalizer was installed after the Focus wings. I have read his pro/con line by line on the canalizer. He also went from near zero mix to 6 mixes when he installed it. Don is a tinkerer guys. He enjoys doing stuff like this. I appreciate his feedback. He likes it overall, but basically he's changed it so it's not really a VF3 anymore. Still basically a Black Magic...not a VF3 though. But if it makes him happy, then more power to him. Isn't that what we're all about? CUSTOM Airframes afterall? [8D] That one is more custom than any other. I'll try to carefully explain this to avoid too much confusion. Everyone has a certain style and feel that suits them. We made a smart (in hindsight) decision early on to let everyone and thier cousin fly the VF3 and told them to be brutally honest...likes vs dislikes. Well the likes far outweighed the dislikes, and a lot of the stuff most people like is what Don doesn't like so much. Most people marvel at the slow speed of this thing...Don thinks it's too slow for him. Most people love the way it self corrects in a crosswind....Don sees this as a negative. Just examples, there's a lot more little things. You can't look at this in terms of right and wrong. Everyone is different and it's very rare 2 people like exactly the same feel on ANY plane. The only problem I'd have is if people started thinking this plane NEEDED that thing. Trust me I've seen the data....and my opinion is, it does more harm than good for most people. I had heard Chip enjoyed it. That's very cool, after all you'd be suprised how close this plane is to a Passport (I have a year on the Passport though neener neener!!! LOL just teasing). There's not much not to like. At any rate, it's experimental guys. -Mike
Posted on: 6/18/2009 9:50 AM by Author "MHester"
in the forum "Pattern Flying"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=8861762
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