RE: Am I the first? Will I be the last or only?
[quote]ORIGINAL: Hossfly Yep, ol Hoss Fly received his LETTER of REJECTION this Thursday, Nov. 12, 2009. You best act as if you do not know me, never heard of me, and never will associate with this black listed individual. [;)] [sm=cry_smile.gif] Ol' Hoss used some XXs in his post and that is considered VULGARITY in the great Academy of Model Aeronautics' Forums. I have been banned from AMA Forums for one month. [sm=red_smile.gif] No ''Wwarning Tickets'' over there. Therefore, may I suggest that you be very careful how you react on that forum. Maybe it would help if I start practicing being a better boy here. Whatever the case, things are getting tough all over. Be NICE! Red and Frank run a tight ship over there. [/quote] Well, your little buddy has been campaigning for stricter moderstion. Maybe he got it. If it was just cussing then maybe deleting the post with a warning would have been more appropriate but that would require more monitoring and adminstrative duties for the AMA employees. Maybe a month in the hole [b]is[/b] their warning. Though Frank and Red are fairly active on that site, they are not moderators, and it's a little bit paranoid to imply someone is out to get you because of your past history with the AMA. Some of your later posts were pushing the limit. I did like the one where you were headed to the loo to give birth to a DXXXXXXt though. [:)]
Posted on: 11/13/2009 7:03 AM by Author "Robotech" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9250423

RE: MA Financing Issue Put to Rest
[quote]ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy Why tell folks an unresolved issue has been put to rest, then argue that it has in the face of being shown big information holes still existing. There really is no need for me to continue here, you are simply not accurate with your declaration of it being put to rest. You said yourself, it is still up to folks to go get the missing info before we can say How many mil IN vs how many mil Out [/quote] More goodies from your own fingertips: KE Said: "Ladies & Gentlemen, set the parking brake and lets grab a beer. We have a simple and undisputable explanation of the unreported Gray$18 " http://www.modelaircraft.org/forums/tm.aspx?&m=448&mpage=5 Post #82 [quote]ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy [i]''In your own words it is enough $ to zero out MA direct and indirect costs. ''[/i] [color=#FF0000][b]POST & ATTRIB THAT CITATION !![/b][/color] you want to use my words, show me where you got them lets see the rest of the context you are grabbing that soundbite from [/quote] http://www.modelaircraft.org/forums/tm.aspx?&m=448&mpage=5 post#82 Howzat?
Posted on: 11/11/2009 9:34 AM by Author "Robotech" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9245672

RE: Park Flyers
[quote]ORIGINAL: mongo it is obvious, you have never showed up at a strange field and unloaded 3 90 size helis. talk about receiving a cold shoulder. [/quote] [:D] No, you're right. I haven't. pri721: It has been declared on this forum that an offering of coffee and donuts will cure all problems. [;)] You may have just hit the exception rather than the rule. If there's another club, by all means try them. They may be folks that got the same reception as you at the first club. Keep in mind that you are the "new" guy and your attitude may play a part in your reception. (See C&D rule above)
Posted on: 11/11/2009 8:05 AM by Author "Robotech" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9245523

RE: [Deleted]
If you already have a full $58 open membership you are covered no matter what you fly. If everything you intend to fly is under 2# and 60MPH you don't need the $58 membership and you can sign up for the $29 PPP membership. Of course you give up a few other perks with the PPP membership. You'll get a different magazine (Park Flyer) and reduced insurance coverage amounts. You will also have no vote in AMA elections. If you belong to an AMA charter club you will need to check with them first about membership with a PPP designation. It is up to each AMA chartered club as to whether they will accept PPP.
Posted on: 11/11/2009 7:58 AM by Author "Robotech" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9245517

RE: How to handle a difficult pilot!
[quote]ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy then it appears the county would be conjecturizing over the loss of site insurance that they may or may not have now [;)] [/quote] Unless in the process of securing the flying site the club officers (ironically could have been FGMC) got those answers from AMA. [8|] IMHO, but it's just that, IMHO, Live WIre is correct in his statement that it's the Chartered club's insurance that covers the landowner.
Posted on: 11/10/2009 8:56 PM by Author "Robotech" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9244572

RE: MA Financing Issue Put to Rest
[quote]ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy even though you have been asked repeatedly here to provide it you/we [b]dont have that number[/b] [/quote] And I have told you repeatedly that I don't care. Evidently you singularly do, so why must you waste my time and yours when you could ask the folks with the #2 pencil behind their ears? The issue was/is does the gray text money go to MA's bottom line? Yes, yes it does. So says the AMA comptroller. Anything past that is of no real concern to me. I appreciate your intense need for something else to stir the pot. Go for it. Everyone needs some purpose to his life. [quote]ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy but it is great, really sweet, to get the official MA accounting answer that $58 Open is really $40 Open + $18 MA cause that will be a great starting point for discussing in some other thread [i]$58 OpenMA[/i] & [i]$40 OpenNoMA[/i] options in the future. So obviously I am tickled that we heard from muncie that its $40 + $18, but left wondering about MA Ops $2.2mil OUT how many mil IN? [/quote] In your own words it is enough $ to zero out MA direct and indirect costs. Argue with KE on that one. You want that amount to the decimal point, ask AMA. Now here is a question for you. Why the obsession to have MA optional? Really. No BS. Where is the hue and cry for this. If it pisses you off so much to receive it throw it directly in the trash rather than pass it on like SB.
Posted on: 11/10/2009 8:22 PM by Author "Robotech" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9244469

RE: How to handle a difficult pilot!
[quote]ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy Would AMA site insurance of the club flying at Supulveda Basin (non-exclusive use) cover the landowner from having to pay if a non-ama guy killed someone there? so would the site insurance of the club (non-eclusive use) in this thread pay to cover the county landowner if a public flyer (FCMG) killed someone? [/quote] That question would be for official comment over at ..... well ........... you know ............. that other place. Or an old fashioned phone call to Hdqtrs. Anything else would be opinion and conjecture.
Posted on: 11/10/2009 8:06 PM by Author "Robotech" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9244404

RE: MA Financing Issue Put to Rest
From the same thread. KE said: Lets Review: Kid Epoxy asked. Kid Epoxy has cheerfully accepted the answer. (fits his grand scheme sweet) Not too cheery anymore or what? Anyways ......... It's not that I can't, it's that I won't. You cannot suck me into your recreational arguing and twisted prose. Done. Put to rest. Finished. Adios muchacho.
Posted on: 11/10/2009 7:08 PM by Author "Robotech" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9244175

RE: Park Flyers
[quote]ORIGINAL: pri721 I will give you my thought on Airplane Modlers!!  I was a R/C boat guy for about 10 years and they are some of the greatest people.  I then got into R/C airplanes an soon found out that they or some of the biggest snot nose butt heads that you could ever meet.  It took me about two week of going to the feild to see that I would soon be getting out this sport if it was filled with these kind of people!! I sold my airplane about a month later!!  [b]It was like if you didn't have a 5000 airplane or an endless pocket book they didn't have the time are day for you![/b]!! I just bought me a Parkzone T-28 Trojan an plan on flying it in the back of my house!!! Not going to spend 58 bucks on a AMA and 100 a year for a club membership to hang out with these loosers!!! [/quote] What would they not do for you? Would they not spot for you or hold your plane while you started it? Were they just unfriendly and arrogant? Did you use the RCU approved and time tested coffee and donuts method of introducing yourself? I keep hearing about these snobby clubs but it seems I've never run across one in my travels. Usually folks fall all over themselves trying to make you feel at home. They must be out there though. It's like the hordes of parkie flyers I hear about. Never seen a single one but they must be out there because I read about them all the time on the Internet.
Posted on: 11/10/2009 7:01 PM by Author "Robotech" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9244218

RE: How to handle a difficult pilot!
[quote]ORIGINAL: cccdad [quote]ORIGINAL: bogbeagle Well, I'm still a little confused as to what are the legal requirements in this matter and what are simply club' rules. I think that the answer to just one question might help to clarify things for me, cccdad. [i]If your club folded tomorrow and disappeared, would that chap FCMG be entitled to come along and lawfully fly his plane at the County' site?[/i] [/quote] The answer would be ''no'' [/quote] I'm guessing it's because the county/landowner would no longer have the site insurance. Yes?
Posted on: 11/10/2009 6:53 PM by Author "Robotech" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9244196

RE: MA Financing Issue Put to Rest
[quote]ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy Robo- so you just plan on never letting us know how many millions we have transfer? Its a simple question, no need for all your spin & misdirection. [u]You[/u] said the MA financing was put to rest, yet you continue to refuse to provide the simple number (in millions) added to the MA bottom line ( & reduces the AMA Dues$7mil) [/quote] No misdirection or spin on my part. We have a definitive answer from the AMA. I have not added or changed it one iota. You are trying to spin off the fact that a long argued issue has been clarified and your pet issue and the ability to argue it has been seriously curtailed. If you want you can argue that the comptroller is lying but other than that the issue has been put to rest. Maybe if you want those numbers that concern you so greatly you should ask the AMA comptroller. He has numbers and columns and all sorts of neat stuff. He can give you an official, authoritative and accurate answer like he did with your last question. We can continue with conjecture and second guessing for a gazillion posts like with the gray text issue or just get an answer straight from the horses mouth. I'll look in on that thread for your question and the answer. Just follow the link I gave in the original post, scroll to the bottom, and ask away. Anything else is recreational arguing.
Posted on: 11/10/2009 9:03 AM by Author "Robotech" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9242861

RE: How to handle a difficult pilot!
[quote]ORIGINAL: 804 If you have kids, is it right to allow one to break your house rules, while making the others follow them? At work, is it right for the boss to allow one worker to take an extra 15 minutes for lunch, while the rest are required to be back in an hour? The TUFF club has a provision for non-AMA fliers to fly up to 2 lb. models. Is it right to allow one guy to fly a 2.5 lb. one? 3 lb.? Where do you draw the line? The point is, equal enforcement of the rules for all. No more, no less. It is the only fair way to do it. [/quote] +1 It's too bad that CCCDAD and by association his club, have been put in this situation by a disgruntled former member. I do not envy his position. That being said, there are times when one must make a stand and this is one of them. Why should the people who come out to fly and comply with a few rules make an exception for one contrarian personality. He's probably that way because he's been able to bully and whine to get his way his whole life,. I see it too many times in all phases of life and community. I have a feeling, and that is all it is, that if you were to drop the issue for a bit, he would lose the "fun" he is having yanking your chain and maybe start voluntarily comlying or even better, just go away. There is more at stake though. What's next? A few folks who don't want to observe other rules? Where does it end and where's your moral high ground then? Perhaps the club, with the approval of the landlords, could change the rule so that it states that the AMA card "must be plainly visible." whether it's posted on the frequency board or worn on a badge or lanion. That could give both sides a little room to breath.
Posted on: 11/10/2009 8:54 AM by Author "Robotech" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9242836

RE: Why the AMA is not growing...........
Great post. The truth be known, your experience is the norm rather than the exception some would have you believe if you stick around here too long.
Posted on: 11/9/2009 7:59 PM by Author "Robotech" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9241618

RE: US Aero-Modelers Association - Any News??
[:D][:D][:D] They had the AMA all but buried. They even started a fantasy thread and just ended up with flop sweat. It would be worth $20 to be able to put an end to their fantasy but I wouldn't want to give the slime my personal info. [:'(]
Posted on: 11/9/2009 7:57 PM by Author "Robotech" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9241520

RE: MA Financing Issue Put to Rest
[quote]ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy If AMA now spends $2mil on MA, and gets $1mil back, we are still just where we were for years: Million Dollar moneypit. What new info changes that [/quote] Well, hmmm, let's quote someone, somebody ........ you. "Yeah, its a transfer of Gray$18($mils) out of AMA to MA, and then another transfer of MA [b]Profit[/b] to zero sum MA and give AMA a 'Owned Subsidiary Corp Revenue' line" Emphasis added. Million dollar moneypit? Valuable member benefit? That's just opinion. You [b][i]say[/i][/b] you like to deal with facts. You got them. Own it. Next up: AMA insurance coverage, the humongus moneypit ............
Posted on: 11/9/2009 1:07 PM by Author "Robotech" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9240587

RE: MA Financing Issue Put to Rest
[quote]ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy [quote]It's your obsession, not mine. Twist and shout buddy. [/quote] Obsession? Just who started this RCU thread, buddy? If AMA now spends $2mil on MA, and gets $1mil back, we are still just where we were for years: Million Dollar moneypit. What new info changes that [/quote] I understand now. You and your oxpecker consider starting a thread that points folks to the AMA's comptollers direct answer is an obsession. Numerous posts that ignore that information is what? Your version of what you want to believe is the truth. You have been saying over, and over, and over, for years, that the gray text subscription monies don't count toward MA profitability. You have been told, officially, that they indeed do count. Obsession, denial, take your pick. Better to turn your full attention to the metal prop ban.
Posted on: 11/9/2009 12:07 PM by Author "Robotech" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9240402

RE: A VERY GOOD TIP YOU CAN USE !!!
[quote]ORIGINAL: p100d Just rub with Acetone on a rag and it all comes clean. Cheap and easy. [/quote] And the acetone will "dry" the wood removing most oils that may have gotten under the covering.
Posted on: 11/9/2009 9:50 AM by Author "Robotech" in the forum "Tips & Techniques"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9240101

RE: How to tint a canopy
RC56 will bond well to the monocote but I always take a small t-pin and poke hundreds of tiny holes into the balsa through the covering . The RC56 will run into the holes and get a super grip.
Posted on: 11/9/2009 9:47 AM by Author "Robotech" in the forum "Tips & Techniques"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9240095

RE: MA Financing Issue Put to Rest
[quote]ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy Robo, Let me try again- perhaps [b]you[/b] could put forth your newfound info in application: You say the answer of ''the issue of whether MA loses a $mil a year/does the grey text count, has been answered directly by the AMA comptroller'' Well, if we are to stop saying MA is $2mil spent & $1mil Ads Reveue In = $1mil Loss ( by the anual report), [size=5]what are [b]you[/b] putting in its place?[/size] What numbers are you wanting us to use to express MA operations given the new info? [color=#666666]MA Ops: $2.2mil Direct Costs out + $1mil AdRev In[/color] + $XXmil Gray18 MemberSubscription Xfer[color=#666666] = $??mil MA profit[/color] [b]what do you want us to put in there now for $XXmil Gray18 MemberSubscription Xfer? [/b] Cause a lot of us want to see how many millions you want to transfer out of the AMA $7mil Dues to be able say MA takes in that many million by the transfer. Are you going to say $2mil? Are we to drop the[i] AMA Dues Revenue[/i] from $7mil down to $5mil..... to show where MA is getting its $2mil FROM? [/quote] Perhaps [b]you[/b] would like to put a number there. For all I care [b]you[/b] can use the IIRC $17.87 the comptroller used. Have a ball. It's [b]your[/b] obsession, not mine. Twist and shout buddy.
Posted on: 11/9/2009 8:24 AM by Author "Robotech" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9239947

RE: How to handle a difficult pilot!
No. I don't think it's you with the reading and comprehension problem.
Posted on: 11/8/2009 7:17 PM by Author "Robotech" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9238688

RE: MA Financing Issue Put to Rest
[quote]ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy [color=#000099]MA Ops: $2.2mil Direct Costs out + $1mil AdRev In + $XXmil [i]Gray18 MemberSubscription Xfer[/i] = $??mil MA profit [/color] [/quote] Sounds like a good formula and it happens to reflect a change in the formula that some have tried to use for years in arguing the MA profitabilty point. The formula that disregarded member subcription tranfer $ was/is incorrect. That is the position many, including mtself, have held through this long and drawn out debate. Second guessing and speculation has been eliminated. Put to rest. Over.
Posted on: 11/8/2009 10:44 AM by Author "Robotech" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9237675

RE: MA Financing Issue Put to Rest
[quote]ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy But Hoss, the AMA accountant just said we are to act like it was a separate company, wait... here we go: [i]''This transfer, on paper only, is for internal use but the idea is to treat publications like a separate company''[/i] See, the AMA guy is telling us it is LIKE a separate company, not that it is. Cause, if it actually were a separate entity, accounting would just show the millions going back & forth ... so it boils down to if MA really is structured as IRC 501 (c) (3) ''Unrelated Business Corporation'' then Muncie is not being too forthright with us members in their answers Of course,[b] the real trick is to not mention[/b] if the dues $58 really was $40 Open + $18 directly to MA as 'member subscription revenue', then [b]that would drop the $7mil AMA Dues Revenue by how much?[/b] The key is to only mention the receiving end of the [u]transfer[/u] [/quote] *sigh*
Posted on: 11/8/2009 7:59 AM by Author "Robotech" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9237362

MA Financing Issue Put to Rest
If anyone cares, the issue of whether MA loses a $mil a year/does the grey text count, has been answered directly by the AMA comptroller over on the AMA (not US/AMA) forum. http://www.modelaircraft.org/forums/tm.aspx?m=448&mpage=4 Post #75
Posted on: 11/6/2009 6:24 PM by Author "Robotech" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9233577

RE: AMA Staffing: Should AMA hire non-Pilot nonMember to moderate AMA board
[quote]ORIGINAL: combatpigg [quote]ORIGINAL: Robotech [quote]ORIGINAL: combatpigg I vote for The Toolman to moderate that quivvering mass of wimps, cry babies, mamas' boys, bed wetters and thumb suckers over there. [:D] Anyone 2nd the motion? Pay him triple overtime for toxic exposure if he has to clean up after one of Red's posts.... [/quote] Yea, we wouldn't want a bunch of name
Posted on: 11/5/2009 7:19 PM by Author "Robotech" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9231157

RE: AMA Staffing: Should AMA hire non-Pilot nonMember to moderate AMA board
I'm not [i]implying[/i] anything. I have said that very thing repeatedly here and at the real (not US) AMA site. I have asked it directly and publicly of certain members.
Posted on: 11/5/2009 10:30 AM by Author "Robotech" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9229984

RE: AMA Staffing: Should AMA hire non-Pilot nonMember to moderate AMA board
[quote]ORIGINAL: combatpigg I vote for The Toolman to moderate that quivvering mass of wimps, cry babies, mamas' boys, bed wetters and thumb suckers over there. [:D] Anyone 2nd the motion? Pay him triple overtime for toxic exposure if he has to clean up after one of Red's posts.... [/quote] Yea, we wouldn't want a bunch of name calling and trolling on that site. Let's keep that here on this one.
Posted on: 11/5/2009 8:44 AM by Author "Robotech" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9229751

RE: AMA, Whos Intrested in promoting the hobby
[quote]ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy ahhh, ok... the old [i]Club lets them fly uninsured in with the club[/i] approach. Given the attitudes we read online toward letting uninsured (or [i]otherly[/i] insured) folks fly anywhere near their clubs, I think this would be a tough sell to talk other clubs into doing [/quote] Not if an offering of coffee and donuts precedes
Posted on: 11/3/2009 11:02 AM by Author "Robotech" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9224967

RE: AMA, Whos Intrested in promoting the hobby
[quote]ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy Not at the AMA chartered club I fly at, but I used to just that and more 'on the street'. Is your club doing this activity at the club field? If so, as I asked others about the BoyScouts in the other thread, what is your club doing to keep Muncie out of your hair about the club letting nonAMA fly as a club activity? [/quote] Other than sactioned events, the AMA has no control over who flies at our field. The landowner is the determining factor in who flies at [b]ANY[/b] site. The AMA rules on chatered club membership and santioned events The landowner rules on everything else cause we don't want the AMA getting too ruley no matter, the landowner is the ruliest
Posted on: 11/3/2009 9:55 AM by Author "Robotech" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9224624

RE: Crashing is NOT an option, M A article!
[quote]ORIGINAL: bradpaul Funny like in smells funny? [/quote] "Not ha-ha funny, peculiar I guess.".. The Eels.
Posted on: 11/2/2009 5:27 PM by Author "Robotech" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9223204

RE: Crashing is NOT an option, M A article!
[quote]ORIGINAL: Robotech Here's a good quote; ''........ in contrast, the modeling world often depends on well-meaning but sometimes [b]misinformed opinions and Internet threads [/b]written by modelers and RC flight instructors who are trying to help but teach with incorrect information, because that's how they were taught. When faulty information is repeated long enough
Posted on: 11/2/2009 5:25 PM by Author "Robotech" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9223198