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RE: 1/7th F-14D Scratch build thread *building started*
Wow! I was wondering what you were going to do there! With a little patience and time, it looks like the detail is going to turn out very nice!
Posted on: 11/20/2009 3:09 PM by Author "Seraphim77"
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RE: 1/8th scale B-1B
[quote]ORIGINAL: theb1bman so you saw the video of the inverted flight from inside the cockpit now we know why theres windows on top of the cockpit [X(] [/quote] "Pickle! Bomb's away!" [:D]
Posted on: 11/17/2009 10:31 PM by Author "Seraphim77"
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RE: 1/8th scale B-1B
[quote]ORIGINAL: Nightwalker That was cool! Just made my night. [;)] [/quote] Nothing like an inverted B-1 after a pull-n-roll! [:D]
Posted on: 11/17/2009 9:33 PM by Author "Seraphim77"
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RE: 1/8th scale B-1B
Everybody...shhhhhhhhhh...we're trying to listen for the B-1! [;)]
Posted on: 11/17/2009 12:23 AM by Author "Seraphim77"
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RE: 1/7th F-14D Scratch build thread *building started*
[quote]ORIGINAL: invertmast Great find butch! [/quote] Yes!
Posted on: 11/16/2009 10:11 PM by Author "Seraphim77"
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RE: 1/8th scale B-1B
[quote]ORIGINAL: Nightwalker [quote]ORIGINAL: Seraphim77 One of my favorite B-1 photo's...''Stay on center line!'' [:D] Must have had a good crosswind! [/quote] [link=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X_7Xt2ga-s]Yep,[/link] that looks like a [link=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWmQ8e6fGCs]crosswind,[/link] because those stabs are pretty even on a normal landing. [:D] Great
Posted on: 11/16/2009 1:31 PM by Author "Seraphim77"
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RE: 1/8th scale B-1B
One of my favorite B-1 photo's..."Stay on center line!" [:D] Must have had a good crosswind!
Posted on: 11/16/2009 12:45 PM by Author "Seraphim77"
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RE: 1/8th scale B-1B
[quote]ORIGINAL: pilotdude57 [quote]ORIGINAL: Mike Emilio [quote]ORIGINAL: pilotdude57 So you want to block the person who was correct about the F-14 having washout, or the person who was wrong? [/quote] Geez, ,, I didn't want to say anything, , , , here's a clip from the factory drawing. You guys can come to your own conclusions. Pilotdude, , No offence intended guy, but you can see how you can get torn to shreds if you can't substantiate what you say. Hard facts are always better than some unverifiable conversation. The onis of substantiating what you say is up to you, not anyone else, or it just goes on being argumentative. [/quote] What is that drawing from, are you saying it is the F-14? It shows washout but it appears to be only about two degrees. [/quote] Gentlemen...we're getting off topic here. Let's please take this "washout" discussion elsewhere to a F-14 thread as this one is dedicated to the B-1. I'll say this though, from Wikipedia they say the airfoil for the F-14 is: NACA 64A209.65 mod root NACA 64A208.91 mod tip In every picture and drawing I've seen, the Anhedral is there but I don't see any washout...and what appears to be hand traced/drawn rib sections seems very inconclusive.
Posted on: 11/16/2009 2:53 AM by Author "Seraphim77"
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RE: 1/8th scale B-1B
[quote]ORIGINAL: N622JR [quote]ORIGINAL: theb1bman Does anyone else agree that one of the worst things about model aviation is that it's so damned hard to video?? Anyone have any tips? Could focus be manually set to infinity, maybe? [/quote] I am new but so far the worst thing about model aviation is having an $.89 balsa glider budget, foamie ARF talent/experience, and B-1B dreams. Although, talent and Experience can grow with research and practice, dreams can come true, and to heck with the car insurance, I'm buying a new kit!!! Now the only thing IÂ need to find is a spare 85'' of space in my house to build the thing. John [/quote] Welcome John! Hey, we all start from somewhere and learn over time...nobody knows it all and very few can fork out an unlimited supply of cash! We do with what we have and build upon that. I have no doubt that if one of your goals and dreams in life is to fly jets, you will! Of course though, you might want to rethink the car insurance thing...you'll have to get to the field somehow...hopefully legally! [;)] You'll need it to trailer in your future B-1! [:D]
Posted on: 11/16/2009 1:39 AM by Author "Seraphim77"
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RE: 1/8th scale B-1B
[quote]ORIGINAL: theb1bman the red hand worked for me [/quote] "Talk to the hand!" [:D]
Posted on: 11/15/2009 7:25 PM by Author "Seraphim77"
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RE: 1/8th scale B-1B
[quote]ORIGINAL: udet1918 [quote]ORIGINAL: xmarsx [quote]ORIGINAL: theb1bman Butch I just wanted you to know why I have asked about CG so much and it's not to bust your balls. I am just trying to find something that works on my B1B. If I get one of my B1B's done and bring it to Texas do you think you could look at it and tell me what I could do different. My B1B is hand shaped and hand made with hand tools no power of the CNC and detailed drawings I have gotten it to be flyable just not flying sweet with the wing in any position heres a video of it [link]http://www.youtube.com/user/b1bman#p/u/0/hZAXbVDFbAM[/link] [/quote] That is pretty cool! Quite an accomplishment. Does anyone else agree that one of the worst things about model aviation is that it's so damned hard to video?? Anyone have any tips? Could focus be manually set to infinity, maybe? [/quote] I am by no means a professional videographer but I have always had my best results when taking the auto focus off and manually setting it to infinity. Ron [/quote] Most video's are shot via consumer hand-held units with auto-focus, which is most of the problem right there. The main secret is using a fluid/quality tripod...much better than hand holding. A pro-sumer or professional video camera with a good manual zoom/focus is the 2nd part of that equation. The 3rd part is keeping the eye on the plane through the camera instead of on the plane itself! [;)] [link=http://www.youtube.com/user/PlaneVideoArt]http://www.youtube.com/user/PlaneVideoArt[/link]
Posted on: 11/15/2009 5:09 PM by Author "Seraphim77"
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RE: 1/8th scale B-1B
[quote]ORIGINAL: pilotdude57 By the way, I don't think I have been badgering people. I was just saying in the beginning that making molds of the big B-1, without first doing flight testing, and then apparently with the intent of selling kits, could end up being a money LOSING proposition, especially if someone puts out a bit smaller kit at a reasonable price, and I am not saying that their price would not be reasonable. Have you guys estimated a price yet? [/quote] Look, the point is, Butch has been working on and researching this B-1 project for years. Any prototype of a 4-jet engine aircraft is a money loosing proposition...period. Butch and Bob know this because they've spent a LOT of money! There are many on this board and across the world who have pitched in what they could financially, etc, etc. This project exists because of the love for the aircraft and hobby. For some (a lot) it is an addiction! Saying that, Butch and Bob are not worrying about the cost so much as their wives don't leave them over the expense! [:D] This is a hobby...a project...something to be fun and enjoyable...something to bring about a satisfaction in completing as very few have made a nice scale looking B-1. Any potential kit is an after thought...I'm sure. I'm sure there will be those interested, but they're not looking at this from a business profitability standpoint. It's for their enjoyment and achievement first and foremost! So, when you've made the comments that you have and have been essentially "critical" of the design, thought behind, or planning involved, it shows a lack of grace and insensitivity to those who are giving of themselves to share this project, their time, and efforts with the world...something that they DON'T have to do. They're not building the next Stealth Bomber for the Airforce where there would be a lot of critical analysis and debate. They're just building a very nice 1/8 scale B-1 Bomber model...for personal use and satisfaction. Capiche? Let's be thankful for their work and talent and rejoice with them in their achievements! This is one of those projects that needs a lot of "positive" reinforcement to see through to the end!
Posted on: 11/15/2009 4:27 PM by Author "Seraphim77"
in the forum "RC Jets"
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RE: 1/8th scale B-1B
[quote]ORIGINAL: pilotdude57 [quote]ORIGINAL: invertmast Dude I've seen the same drawings butch is referring to and there is no washout in the f14 wings. I have even spoken with a few of the chief designers, mainteners and the people who constructed them and they have all said there was no washout in the wing. Will you just Go AWAY!!!!! Everyone is tired of listening to your ''know it all, can never be wrong'' mentalitiy. So GO AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [/quote] In the first place speak for yourself. Did you poll everyone to see if they were ''tired of listening''? Why would you talk to so many people about wing washout in the F-14, I know from a previous post you apparently built an F-14 model, but wouldn't one source have been enough? Sounds like a claim AFTER the fact. I built an F-14 about 20 years ago, and where would I get the idea that the F-14 has washout if it doesn't? Why don't you guys E-mail me a copy of the plans you guys are talking about at pilotdude2@hotmail.com I would like to see for myself, so you can support your claim. [/quote] In the same vein, how about you provide your proof instead? You're the one challenging everybody here and making claims, but then you push the burden of proof on others? Dude...they're not going to waste their time and send you any plans the way you've been badgering people. You "may" or "may not" have certain knowledge, but the way you interact and present said information shows that you sorely lack social skills. Let's take it down a notch here and let it be. Unless you have "proof" to offer, don't insist you're right. You've stated your opinion...we know what you believe. Just let it be. If somebody cares or wants to share information, they'll PM you.
Posted on: 11/15/2009 3:40 PM by Author "Seraphim77"
in the forum "RC Jets"
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RE: 1/8th scale B-1B
[quote]ORIGINAL: rhallgarth [quote]ORIGINAL: Hustler58 [quote]ORIGINAL: theb1bman Thanks my CG is with in the 10-17% wing out but as I sweep them back to make it fly with no up elevator trim the CG needs to be about 2 1/2'' behind that. If I got what you told pilotguy I should use the wing angle of attack and or just anhedral to change the center of lift? [/quote] I'm not sure how the anhedral works but they put it in the full scale for a reason. The anhedral on the B-1 is 1.9 deg [/quote] Anhedral allows a plane to be more unstable in flight. It might sound weird but most combat aircraft have 0 anhedral or have some anhedral in wings. All modern combat aircraft are designed to be unstable in flight or less stable in spiral mode. Dihedral increases stability in spiral mode while anhedral increases instability. If the plane cannot perform drastic aerodynamic moves to avoid threats it is at a disadvantage. With anhedral a combat aircraft can twist/roll faster in a side slip or roll movement. The F-4 is a polyhedral aircraft because initial flight testing indicated some real nastiness with the flat wing design in flight. One wants the plane to be slightly unstable but not unflyable. [/quote] I love Wikipedia! [:D] For those who want more basic information on what's being talked about: [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dihedral_(aircraft)]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dihedral_(aircraft)[/link] [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washout_(aviation)]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washout_(aviation)[/link]
Posted on: 11/15/2009 3:16 PM by Author "Seraphim77"
in the forum "RC Jets"
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RE: 1/8th scale B-1B
[quote]ORIGINAL: zbo2 getting back on track............not sure if it was mentioned, but how much battery power are you thinking to operate all the goodies in the B1 [/quote] Check out this recent video...Bob goes into it a little: [link=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oVjxigtbjQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oVjxigtbjQ[/link]
Posted on: 11/13/2009 7:57 PM by Author "Seraphim77"
in the forum "RC Jets"
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RE: 1/7th F-14D Scratch build thread *building started*
You're doing great...and the attention to detail is much appreciated! I'd say that if there is something "visible" that moves, retracts, extends, or blinks, do it and make it as scale as possible! [:D] Now get some sleep! [;)]
Posted on: 11/13/2009 7:50 PM by Author "Seraphim77"
in the forum "RC Jets"
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RE: 1/8th scale B-1B
[quote]ORIGINAL: invertmast [quote]ORIGINAL: yeahbaby dude that's funny and cold at the same time!!!! [:D] go scratch the itch to fly B1Bob and then get back to the shop. we all look forward to the next installment [quote]ORIGINAL: invertmast [quote]ORIGINAL: pilotdude57 You accuse me of ego boosting, and I am just giving you my qualifications for the statements I have made. I could also accuse you of jealousy. [/quote] Jealous of a 1000hr commercial pilot.. hahahahaaaaa now i've heard it all. I've got more time teaching than you do total time... so just go away now! [/quote] [/quote] Hell, if imma be jealous imma be jealous of summin cool... Like buck w/ the F-18 time [:D] [/quote] [sm=lol.gif] [sm=lol.gif] [sm=lol.gif] [sm=lol.gif] <- <- <- <- Four smilies laughing at 1/8 the size but 2x the loudness! Ouch! [;)]
Posted on: 11/13/2009 7:40 PM by Author "Seraphim77"
in the forum "RC Jets"
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RE: 1/8th scale B-1B
[quote]ORIGINAL: pilotdude57 Obviously it could have the same performance and flight characteristics on a scale basis, but far below 1/8 the distructive power, unless it used some form of ''higher'' explosive that makes up for the size difference, like tactical nuclear! [/quote] [sm=what_smile.gif] So...while we all know now that this project will never be a 1-for-1 100% accurate model at 1/8 scale, I think Butch and Bob will make do! Thank you for your keen sense of observation. Being a pilot as well though, as I know many on this board are, I just don't think we could ever rise to or match such breadth of knowledge and understanding! What is a guy like me to do??? [8|] I think we should all ponder these statements and questions this weekend and make sure Butch and Bob are in the right frame of mind to continue such a project, because they're obviously going to screw it up and disappoint us all! [sm=cry_smile.gif] How's the cockpit coming along Butch? Is the plan to use four 1/8 scale jealous crew members at 1/8 the weight and attitude? [;)] [:D]
Posted on: 11/13/2009 6:58 PM by Author "Seraphim77"
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RE: 1/7th F-14D Scratch build thread *building started*
Thomas, you're doing one heck of a job! Thank you for sharing all that you do with us! I'm [i]very [/i]impressed and I'm looking forward to seeing the final product...very much so!
Posted on: 11/13/2009 4:47 PM by Author "Seraphim77"
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RE: 1/8th scale B-1B
[quote]ORIGINAL: pilotdude57 I'll explain it. I am a Commercial Pilot, Instrument Instructor, Multi-engine Instructor, with around 1,000 hours of Flight time and an Air Traffic Controller for the FAA at six different towers, so I've been in aviation since I was a kid. The only main difference in size of an aircraft is due to Reynolds numbers (air density and flow rates). The larger the aircraft the better it flys due to relative airspeed over the wing and air density, where, for example at 200 miles per hour a larger chord wing has the airflow take a longer time to go from the leading edge to the trailing edge, then say a 1/8 scale aircraft at the same speed where the air going from the LE to the TE is much quicker. In the latter case the air can't flow as smoothly, resulting in higher relative ''accelerated stall'' speeds (pulling the yoke suddenly back all the way at moderate or high speed), and the low speed stall speed is not true to scale, but higher in the model. Other than that, if the weight of the model and the wing area produce the same relative wing loading, no matter the size, and the airfoils are the same, performance would be the same. So the only difference is Reynolds numbers. [/quote] I wonder if a 1/8 scale cruise missile dropped from a 1/8 scale B-1B would have the same flight characteristics, precision, and destructive power despite the Reynolds numbers. Bueller. Bueller. [8|] Butch...you guys are doing an awesome job! Keep up the good work...be proud of all that you've accomplished! This project wouldn't have been the same if you decided to make a small scale foamy! Don't let anything or anybody get you down...this is suppose to be something fun and enjoyable for [b]you[/b]...and thats all that counts! You've given us the 'privilege' to partake with you in your journey! Thank you!
Posted on: 11/13/2009 4:41 PM by Author "Seraphim77"
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RE: 1/8th scale B-1B
Yeah...probably won't be too long until he gets back in gear...strap on those engine pods, bolt on the wings, and finish off the tail! Bomb bays, details, paint, etc can wait until AFTER the first flight! [;)] Kick the tires and light the fires! [:D] Get-er-up!
Posted on: 10/27/2009 3:33 AM by Author "Seraphim77"
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RE: 1/8th scale B-1B
In the shop? [:D] I think he said he was going to take a week off in one of the last videos. He's probably exhausted trying to finish that mold and getting that landing gear deployed as promised...not to forget all the driving/travel. We can give him a small break and raise holy hell in a week or so if there isn't a new video by then! [;)] Show me some wings!!! [:D]
Posted on: 10/27/2009 2:54 AM by Author "Seraphim77"
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RE: 1/8th scale B-1B
I keep on forgetting this B-1 is 1/8 scale...I have 1/6 scale on the brain. [:D] I was going to say to give us a pair of 1/6 Scale Skymaster F-16s...oh well! 1/8 will have to do! [;)]
Posted on: 10/26/2009 3:02 PM by Author "Seraphim77"
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RE: 1/8th scale B-1B
[quote]ORIGINAL: Hustler58 After getting it out in the open, and talking to Bob. We don't' think it is BIG ENOUGH ! [/quote] It really doesn't look big enough, does it?!?! [:D] It gets its extra girth that we'd expect from the molds. Has anybody weighed it yet? If so, how heavy so far?
Posted on: 10/26/2009 2:34 PM by Author "Seraphim77"
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RE: 1/8th scale B-1B
4 x P200's at 52lbs thrust each...uh...I'd say that's more than enough power! [;)]
Posted on: 10/26/2009 12:56 AM by Author "Seraphim77"
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RE: 1/8th scale B-1B
[quote]ORIGINAL: pilotdude57 That F-8 Crusader looks way bigger than 1/20 scale. I am interested in where it came from too, as I am going to put an F-8 kit out. [/quote] My real guess is that the Crusader shown is about 1/8 scale...or maybe closer to 1/6 like the B-1. The Jet Hanger A-7 is 1/10 scale.
Posted on: 10/24/2009 10:26 PM by Author "Seraphim77"
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RE: 1/8th scale B-1B
[quote]ORIGINAL: JP8650 we need MOOOORE PICS AND A VIDEO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOLYYYY SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET THATS A HUUUUUUGE..........well nevermind [:)] [/quote] I was going to say it looked much smaller out in the open than I expected...next to all the other jets. That Crusader right next to it is one of those new 1/20-scale 64mm EDF foamy parkflyers from Banana Hobby, right??? [;)]
Posted on: 10/24/2009 12:11 PM by Author "Seraphim77"
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RE: 1/8th scale B-1B
We'll be awaiting! [:D]
Posted on: 10/21/2009 10:08 PM by Author "Seraphim77"
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RE: 1/8th scale B-1B
Bob is in Central time I believe...so that means we have about 1-hour left until he pops those molds off and gets us some video! [:D] I knew this was going to be big, but this thing is looking massive!
Posted on: 10/21/2009 9:38 PM by Author "Seraphim77"
in the forum "RC Jets"
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RE: 1/8th scale B-1B
More! #86 [link]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdcwwlYRBAA&feature=channel_page[/link] #87 [link]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7J7Lb6a4Jc&feature=channel_page[/link] #88 [link]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tia58zvHj7M&feature=channel_page[/link] #89 [link]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVOexnCXrzA&feature=channel_page[/link]
Posted on: 10/21/2009 9:12 PM by Author "Seraphim77"
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