RE: Problem with Outrigger?
[quote]ORIGINAL: srw1960 Oh and Simon O..I will admit I am new to Electrics thank god im not advising him on engines or batteries or electronics for it... some things with any rc boat applys whether electric or nitro or gas or what ever moves it..[u]I dont coment on ANYTHING I DONT KNOW OR UNDERSTAND PERIOD[/u]. [color=#FF3399]An admirable position that I agree with.[/color] BTW you got any pics posted or videos we can watch???? [color=#FF3399]Not here but over at OSE, If you insist I [u]may[/u] consider posting pics of my riggers, hydro, Canard, Cats, monos. All designed and built by me.[/color] How many riggers you have in the water??? [color=#FF3399]One at a time as it is hard to drive two at once. The small on is stable at 45mph and the big one is at 55 and heading for 65.[/color] BTW are you realy a firefighter or is that just a pic you found? [color=#FF3399]I was going to leave this thread alone untill I read that bit. YES I am a professional firefighter and that is a picture of me doing what I do.[/color] [/quote] I am done with this thread. Enjoy. [sm=thumbup.gif]
Posted on: 7/22/2009 3:29 AM by Author "Simon.O." in the forum "Speed - Electric"
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RE: outrigger
I would suggest the following. Fiegao 7XL or an equivalent from HK. The pink/red motors are ok. [i]I now have a 6XL that will go for a spin in my 26" tub rigger.[/i] Mystery 200A from E-bay with free shipping. [i]I use one with a 7XL on 4S to a 642 prop to clear 55mph at 120+A[/i] 4S is ok and I will suggest [b]no less[/b] than 4500mAh 25C. [i]I currently run a Rhino 4900 25C (37C burst) and it does not get hot at all or puff like what I did to a couple of big name packs.[/i] I am keen to help.
Posted on: 7/22/2009 12:23 AM by Author "Simon.O." in the forum "Speed - Electric"
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RE: outrigger advice
You can use the KB 45 but be aware that they are know as amp hogs and in fact would be overkill for this boat. You will be as well off with a Fiegao 7XL or an equivalent from HK. The pink/red motors are ok. I now have a 6XL that will go for a spin in my 26" tub rigger. The 120A speedy will be a bit light so I would suggest a Mystery 200A from E-bay with free shipping. I use one with a 7XL on 4S to a 642 prop to clear 55mph at 120+A 4S is ok and I will suggest [b]no less[/b] than 4500mAh 25C. I currently run a Rhino 4900 25C (37C burst) andit does not get hot at all or puff like what I did to a couple of big name packs. I am keen to help.
Posted on: 7/22/2009 12:21 AM by Author "Simon.O." in the forum "Speed - Electric"
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RE: Problem with Outrigger?
[quote]ORIGINAL: srw1960 DUDE a plastic prop?????seriously???????im trying to get this guy good advice so he can get some speed out of it....you CAN NOT be seriouse about speed and run a plastic prop..thats for play not for race or speed...they flex to much...all that aluminum hanging on the back adds alot of weight [/quote] I have used plastic octura with a lot mixed results. At 40mph they tend to come apart on me. 40krpm does that too. In fact I have done the same to the Cu/Be octura props too, that is what pushing boundaries in the name of research will do. The weight of the hardware is not significant as a proportion of the overall hull. I can see you have the nitro OB Spitfire. How many FE riggers have you setup and run.....fast and consistently ? I was keen to offer my knowledge here on FE rigger setups, but it would seem that there are plenty of experts here already. [;)] I'll watch.
Posted on: 7/22/2009 12:11 AM by Author "Simon.O." in the forum "Speed - Electric"
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RE: Problem with Outrigger?
[quote]ORIGINAL: srw1960 Heres a few things that I have learned...you HAVE to have a ride pad under the tub at the very back it provides most of the lift....the stuffing tube should exit out of the ride pad....there has to be sponsons on the sides of the back of the tub otherwise itll trip itself in the turns the wall going through the water thing again...the leading and trailing edges of all the sponsons should be very sharp and the bottom of the sponsons should be flat period..ok go look at the threads and imsure we will talk some more [/quote] I will disagree here. A rear ride pad has some benefits but is not essential. Neither of my riggers have them. They launch out of the hole perfectly and run very well. For race water a rear ride pad can prevent the tail droping in too deep and causing amp spikes. For sport of in my case solo saw runs they are not needed at all. My small rigger is 24" overall and my big one is 31" Both have cleared 55mph. In all fairness the small one did not appreciate that speed, here is what happened
Posted on: 7/20/2009 5:13 PM by Author "Simon.O." in the forum "Speed - Electric"
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RE: outrigger
28"from sponson tip to to transom or a 28" tub. A photo will help if you can put one up. For a kick-off you will be looking at a XL Fiegao as a minimum size motor. You can go 4S to 6S with the batteries. What you have and what you can fit may affect the decision. I can do little more without a pic or a very good description. Pics are woth a thousand words I am told. [;)]
Posted on: 7/19/2009 4:07 AM by Author "Simon.O." in the forum "Speed - Electric"
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RE: first scratch build
[quote]ORIGINAL: mahogany dreams cool man, thanks forthe reply! i know what the flood chamber is (i lurk a lot), but i just dont know application too well. do you know how much power a 1/16'' flex wire drive can handle? thanks again!! [/quote] To clarify the terms. Flex is the "normal" twisted wire thing that many folk use. Wire drive is the solid piano/music wire. 0.062 or 1/16" is a common size. Few use smaller and [b]big[/b] power needs bigger. I run 062 wires in 6 hulls. The best I have is a 7XL on 4S lipo to a 642 prop giving 55mph + That is over 1600W of power. There are far higher power applications that I have read about but not yet tried.........on the water at least.
Posted on: 7/17/2009 6:07 AM by Author "Simon.O." in the forum "Speed - Electric"
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RE: 26in predator outrugger help
I am keen to help Riggers are fun and that is why I now have two. Both drawn and built by me. The tub size you have is almost exactly the same as my bigger rigger which is on 4S power and will currently clear 55mph. Over the last two years I have done a LOT of reading on rigger design and now have a few basic formulas to pass on. AoA of the sponsons. 3 to 5 deg if you can make them adjustable, if not then set them at 4 deg and wedge ride pads can be added later. Tub AoA. 1 to 2 deg . CG ( centre of longitudinal balance ) This is commonly given as a distance from the rear of the sponson ride area to the prop, also known as the afterplane. I suggest setting the hull up so that it will balance somewhere between 10% and 20% rear of the sponson. Both of my riggers run 20 to 25% rearwards CG. Strut height For a hull of this size I would set the strut so that the bottom of the tub is parallel to a table when it is sitting on its 3 points. Sponsons + strut. From here allow 3mm (1/8�) down ward movement and at least 5mm upward adjustment. This will allow you to lower the rear and increase the AoA at the front if needed. Motor I do not run anything on 6S so I have taken some data from FECalc to give you an idea of what you can expect. Fiegao 10XL 1668kv on 6S 440 prop = 32,500 rpm, 70A, 1402W, 57mph 640 prop = 31,000 rpm, 86A, 1700W, 63mph These figures should be used as a guide as I use FECalc to compare power setups. If you need to know more about riggers from me then call out, I’ll help where I can. Here is my bigger one before it hit the water.
Posted on: 7/17/2009 3:24 AM by Author "Simon.O." in the forum "Speed - Electric"
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RE: esc explosion
[quote]ORIGINAL: srw1960 Wasent upset by your coment sorry if you thought I was.. [/quote] Don't sweat it. I'm cool. [;)] It is a bummer that you found out the hard smokey way that the esc was not up to the job. Bad call by the seller / vendor. If one other person can learn from this and not kill a esc then it is worth all the typing. I have a few Chinese speedies and for what I want they are just fine. There is nothing wrong with the product but there are a few vendors that need to clean up thier game.
Posted on: 7/12/2009 12:18 AM by Author "Simon.O." in the forum "Speed - Electric"
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RE: esc explosion
[quote]ORIGINAL: srw1960 P.S. I just saw a new thread in general boat discussion think its named how to stop beeping something like that anyway in the first post he says the instructions told him to hold full throttle to set the esc..so see simon o Im not nuts [/quote] I have read the other thread and I will clarify that, at no point did I suggest that you are "nuts" I stated that these esc's all will function out of the packet quite well and that there are [i]options[/i] to program them via a series of beeps and stick movements I have since done one to prove that it can be done however I will never do so again as they work just as well out of the packet. FWIW Here are a two things that will kill a low cost Chinese speedie. 1. Lots of water while attached to a battery 2. Reverse polarity on the battery side There are more ways but these two are sure-fire esc killers. I trust that this will remain as a constructive discussion and may be of benefit to future buyers of esc's from E-bay or HK/HC
Posted on: 7/11/2009 3:48 AM by Author "Simon.O." in the forum "Speed - Electric"
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RE: Catamaran single or twin drives?
I have been in this postion a few times so I know the questions to ask. Do I want run time or speed..........chose 1 Oval or SAW..........can be adjusted but best to chose 1 Records or fun.................chose 1 From here the flow-chart begins. FWIW I am a fun runner only and will do twins in a small hull soon. [size=1]I read a lot[/size]
Posted on: 7/10/2009 5:14 AM by Author "Simon.O." in the forum "Speed - Electric"
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RE: esc explosion
[quote]ORIGINAL: srw1960 and followed the enclosed instructions which said to[b] hold full throttle[/b] when hooking up the battery so the esc would auto detect and set itself...... [/quote] The pic you posted looks a lot like a Mystery / Himodel / Swang ESC to me. I have all three so I have a clue here. They are all the same beast, just a different shrink wrap and decal. Of the ones that I have and for all the research that I have done on them, I have NEVER seen an instruction to "hold full throttle" while hooking up the battery. These cheap chinese ESC's are out of the packet "good to go" in my experience. There are programing methods that include a lot of beeps and tones. I have not used them. I have one in my test rigger that has cleared 50 mph. This is a 4S setup to a 7XL on a 637 prop. [size=1]There is a lot more to come from this hull !![/size]
Posted on: 7/10/2009 5:04 AM by Author "Simon.O." in the forum "Speed - Electric"
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RE: large brushless cat project
Yeah we all have our dramas with fleabay. Well I have not yet. I have 3 Mystery controllers in the fleet now and I love them. Cheap, rtr out of the packet. o.k I have to fit my connectors but there is no programing and other BS to deal with. I have killed one, that was my bad. They are a lot lower cost than some of the other big name speedies and work near as well. Bang for buck it is hard to go past the Mystery / Himodel / Supersimple ESC range. I log in here about once a week to see how this cat is going. I look forward to seeing it on the water........pics will be as close as I really get[;)]
Posted on: 7/8/2009 5:30 AM by Author "Simon.O." in the forum "Speed - Electric"
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RE: Catamaran single or twin drives?
A few things here. If in doubt on the run times suggested then read post #14.....then ask the owner. Kevin is a nice guy and will answer questions. If you are to run a big cat that is 36"+ then you need a lot of power to go fast. Power costs $$ Single or twins is the owners / builders call. Twins will cost a little more, there are advantages to twins. For pure speed the arguement will run for a long time as there are a couple of German fellows that have cleared 200km/h with twin powered cats. Your boat and your call ! Single or twin ? Target speed ? Saw or oval ? Race or fun ? These are a few of the considerations that need to be made when entering a project like large fast cats. I have done a lot of reading and know enough to know that I am not ready yet. I'll stick to S-motors in my small fleet for now !!
Posted on: 7/8/2009 5:21 AM by Author "Simon.O." in the forum "Speed - Electric"
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RE: Catamaran single or twin drives?
If you are going to go with a HPR 06 or any quality large cat hull then twins are a must. [:D] This is for the simple reason that if you have spent that much on a hull then do not skimp on the power, go for twins. I do not have a twin-cat.......yet When I do I will design and build my own, long story there. I have done a LOT of research on twin setups for cats and can advise if you like, Jan (pompebled) will help too. There is a LOT of info over at OSE on twins and the HPR hulls in particular. PM me if you need some links or further info.
Posted on: 7/2/2009 5:34 AM by Author "Simon.O." in the forum "Speed - Electric"
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RE: smoked super vee
I can see a few problems just from your brief description "adapters that went from deans to tamiya to the bats" You have too many connections for a start and Tamiya connectors are for low power cars and tanks. Have a good look at the esc and ALL of the wires and connectors. If they look good you may be in luck. If in any doubt post a pic here and take it to a good lhs for a second opinion. Bear in mind this is only and external check. If the insides are fried then no one can see that. After you have determined that the wires and connectors are ok, then hook up the speedy to the motor and use packs that have the proper connectors. i.e Deans if that is what the ESC has. Adapters can be used for charging but not for on load running. One last thing. Keep Venom Nimh packs and brushless motors apart. 100 miles is a good start. I can qualify this statement later if needed !
Posted on: 6/22/2009 3:18 AM by Author "Simon.O." in the forum "Speed - Electric"
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RE: Prop help
Have a look here too, postage may be steep but I get some from here and I am on the other side of the world....New Zealand. http://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/acatalog/propellers_racing.html
Posted on: 6/21/2009 5:31 AM by Author "Simon.O." in the forum "Speed - Electric"
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RE: Rigger questions....help
[quote]ORIGINAL: jdoug Yeah, I think the 540 would be too big. Weight would be the killer in this hull. I have a Feigao 380S, which has a can of 28X48, in a 16" Hydromite that hauls. I didn't see the feigaos on that site anymore. That is actually what I was looking for. So, because it has a shorter can length, it will have less torque? Well, that's not really a good thing. Thanks again for the help so far, keep it coming. [/quote] You are on to it now. If you have a 380 that will fit then use it. Hobby city / Hobby King do not do the Fiegao can anymore but they have a lot of motors that will suit you. Do not get hung up on the brand names as many of them are the same beast with a different colour and sticker. If a 540 (36mm) motor will not fit then by all means go for a 28mm dia motor but keep it long. A short 540 has little torque as it is A short 380 will have FA torque. Get a long one 45mm plus if you want to spin a 431 or as a minimum a 430. Here is a tip. Grab a couple of the plastic octura 431 and 531 props (red and purple) and give it a whirl with the motor that you choose. I did a lot of testing with the plastic props before settling on the metal ones.
Posted on: 6/10/2009 3:19 AM by Author "Simon.O." in the forum "Speed - Electric"
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RE: Rigger questions....help
[quote]ORIGINAL: jdoug Does this motor look sufficient on a 3 cell LiPo in my 15" rigger? I'm on a tight budget, but want to go pretty fast with it. http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=4200&Product_Name=HXT_2835_(380S)_3900kv_Brushless_Inrunner [/quote] You can put it in yours, I would not put it in mine. It is a little small. The 28mm dia is not the issue, it is the length too. That motor will not have good torque. I would suggest a 36mm dia (540 size) can. This one http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=6671&Product_Name=KD36-50-12S_2900kv_Brushless_Inrunner You could go with the 10S too for wicked rpm but the 12S is safer. Spin a 431 prop and it will haul on 3S If the 36mm dia (540) motor will be too big to get in there then look at the 28mm dia motors with a longer can I have a 540-12S run on 3S lipo in a 22 mono on a 432 and it is a handful. My small rigger, canard, hydro and cat all run a 540-8S motor 4400kv on 2S lipo.
Posted on: 6/9/2009 4:48 PM by Author "Simon.O." in the forum "Speed - Electric"
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RE: Rigger questions....help
[quote]ORIGINAL: sportygreg I think rear sponsons help reduce drag and lift the rear up which may help the smaller boats go faster but I have seen even small riggers without rear sponsons.The predator has flat bottom sponsons but the sides are angled-mine balances about 30% from the rear but all boats are different. [/quote] Greg is quite right to a point. Rear sponsons/shoes are a bit of a fickle thing. When they work perfectly the strut height is just right. Think about that for a minute, to get the strut height just right takes a bit of time on the water and a few adjustments. the rear shoes can not be adjusted so now become obselete. They do help get the rear of the tub out of the hole a bit quicker and take the load of the drive train in doing so. To do this and still not interfere with the setup of the rear I would set the bottom of the rear sponsons above the shaft center line, or running water line. To make it all a lot easier it is best to not bother with rear shoes and just learn to set a rigger up without them. The two riggers I have do not have rear sponsons / shoes. One is very loosely based on the Predator and the other is similar to a H&M Xzess3. This is a 4S+7XL beast. I can not tell you how to setup your rigger I can help you learn how to setup a rigger.
Posted on: 6/9/2009 6:01 AM by Author "Simon.O." in the forum "Speed - Electric"
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RE: 24''Wildthing Build...first time builder
I run my rudder on the right as with most monos, it still turns left ok. You will not get a surface drive boat to turn equally well both ways as the prop walk will always make it turn better right. A rudder directly behind a surface drive prop will cause a lot of drag and will not be as effective as one off to the right. Usually rudders are sited so the leading edge is about inline with the drive dog, there are variations to this guide but as a first build I suggest you stay inside the ballpark.
Posted on: 6/6/2009 7:43 PM by Author "Simon.O." in the forum "Speed - Electric"
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RE: 24''Wildthing Build...first time builder
Paul has the same idea as me. Take a look over at RCGroups. Here are a couple of pics of my 30" WT
Posted on: 6/5/2009 4:00 AM by Author "Simon.O." in the forum "Speed - Electric"
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RE: 24''Wildthing Build...first time builder
Have brass and can solder ?? Here is one of mine . This is on my 4S Rigger.....Ignore the prop as it was there as part of my measuring. There is a square tube on the outside to give me a flat botom strut. All of my other hand made struts are round tube. As far as prop to transom distance, my research tells me that 10% of hull length is the minimum and you can easily go to 12% with no issues. My 30" wild-thing inspired hull has the prop a little over 12% but that is because I am after straight line speed, cornering is only to line it up for the straight again. Keep in mind that it is me and the ducks at my local pond.
Posted on: 6/4/2009 6:15 AM by Author "Simon.O." in the forum "Speed - Electric"
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RE: were are the big cats
67" cat on electric . Go for it. This will not be a low cost exercise. It was mentioned above that RumRunnerRacing is the forum to go to for powering a large cat. That is true OSE, Offshoreelectrices, is another place that may provide some help. There is always a mandatory clause if you are going to power a big cat. Pics are a must and vids are often appreciated. Go the big Cats. !! I'll stay with my smaller ones, for now.
Posted on: 6/4/2009 5:39 AM by Author "Simon.O." in the forum "Speed - Electric"
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RE: Norbert's 1.1m balsa cat build
Norbert. I will watch and help where I can. My next build of a Cat will be a twin drive, no surprise there. It will however be small, about 20 inch long with Mystery style heli motors. This is to keep the cost low and fun high. Balsa build all the way with a bit of hardwood here and there for strength. Varnish, sand, varnish sand etc ............then water time.
Posted on: 6/3/2009 4:14 AM by Author "Simon.O." in the forum "Speed - Electric"
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RE: Queensland Champioships Racing 2009
How far is that from Wynham. Yes yes I know I am in Auckland but I have a brother-in-law in Brissy. A long thought, but possible.
Posted on: 5/22/2009 4:05 AM by Author "Simon.O." in the forum "Speed - Electric"
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RE: Predator out rigger help setting up
[quote]ORIGINAL: gonggongboy Ive been building a predator out rigger that blown up to 26in long. its my first time building aboat let alone opperating a rc boats. i had a gas mono but rigger i hear are completly different setup. im wondering were the hardware mounts what angles do the rudder, struts and turn fins need to be. what power system to use. im thinking about either a feigao l or xl not sure what kvs to use. im thinking either 60 to 80a on either 3s lipo or 12 cell. also what height/angles do the sponsons need to be at. if you have links or know your self help me out. [/quote] My small rigger is about that size and was loosly based on the predator. It has had all kinds of motors in there but now runs a Feigao 8S on 2S lipo with a 80A esc. (soon to 100A) I spin a 632 Octura for speeds in the 40mph zone You could use a XL in this size rigger. My 4S 7XL rigger is nearer 32'" (depends on how you measure) and moves out well. If you are going for 3S lipo then 2500kv-2700kv is the area you want to be in. For this I would go with no less than 80A esc. Riggers can be amp hungry. The SV power system may fit in your 26" rigger. Another option is to look at the Rigged Insanity threads and see what is going in those. http://www.offshoreelectrics.com/proddetail.php?prod=osb-rigged-insanity Do you have any pics of your build yet. I don't visit this forum every dys so if you want a faster response then PM or e-mail me. Keen to help, Simon.
Posted on: 5/21/2009 5:50 AM by Author "Simon.O." in the forum "Speed - Electric"
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RE: 80MPH V Hull
[quote]ORIGINAL: Crabstick 80mph is still a high target, whats the fastest boat you have driven ? . [/quote] That is what I was thinking too. I would have thought that someone who is aiming at 80 should at least know what it take to get to 60, and have run that. Given that experience they would then know a lot more that the original question suggests. Just a thought. 80 on the water is #@%$# fast !!
Posted on: 5/7/2009 4:34 AM by Author "Simon.O." in the forum "Speed - Electric"
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RE: Another Outrigger Predator project!
[quote]ORIGINAL: VinceY I'm new to the electric boat scene and I want to build a predator. I've read this entire thread, but I think I need to ask these questions anyway. I fly a trex450 heli and swapped the stock motor for a scorpion motor. The stock align 430xl is a 3700kv outrunner in a case. Can I use this motor in a predator with the 3s 30c lipos that I currently use in my helis? Should I use a 60 amp esc? What prop would you guys recommend? Thanks for the help. [/quote] I do not know much about the power output for outrunners. For a Predator rigger hull you need rpm and lots of it with a bit of torque as well. 30,000 rpm is a good area to be in. Once you load the motor the rpm will go down and the Amps will go up. This is what riggers do. I run a 8S (4400kv) Feigao on 2S via a 432 prop for 40 mph speed. My reading tells me that the Heli motors do not have a lot of torque, you can go 3S on this motor easily but use a small prop to start with. Try to find a 431 plastic and give that a whirl. I have made a few riggers with a lot of different motors and have a bit of experience on the water to back up any suggestions that I make. Cheers. Simon.
Posted on: 4/22/2009 3:52 AM by Author "Simon.O." in the forum "Speed - Electric"
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RE: Brushless For 36 inch Sprint Cat???
At 36" this is a nice size hull to go FE A 8XL on 4S with a 442 ( to begin with ) will scream well. Mid 40's Throw on a 642 and high 40's low 50's come to mind Either of these setups will need a good esc capable of 125A sustained running to be safe. Given that I have run a 7XL with 4S to a 442 on a 60A cheapy speedy to see what will happen I have a few clues. I have just acuumulated a wealth of data during my research into twin powered cats and can speak a bit for the single powered ones too. You ask........I'll do what I can to answer, I will always qualify my answers with first hand experience or refer you to someone else who has. Cheers Simon.
Posted on: 4/21/2009 5:24 AM by Author "Simon.O." in the forum "Speed - Electric"
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