RE: Walbro for DLE20
Truckracer, Please note I did say "and a couple of others". I should have used the word "few". I don't have time to sit around thinking of all the names of people that know what they are doing. However, I did mention that a lot of people appear to be seeking a reason berate someone for a [i]"perceived"[/i] slight or error. My only suggestion is to read slower and take everything in context. At least one of the people that posted after you are among that group. Typically he bends to whichever way the wind is blowing at the time. Let me state the concept in a more generic fashion. Those that have done all the teaching, including developing those products and proceeses that are taught, don't owe anybody anything. For people to think they do is ludricous. Perhaps had people paid for the advice they have been [i]freely[/i] given, given because the teachers chose to, they would appreciate it more. You have been one of those teachers.
Posted on: 1/12/2012 11:38 AM by Author "Tired Old Man" in the forum "Gas Engines"
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RE: Walbro for DLE20
Therein lies the problem. Far too many seem to believe that those that develop engines and other products "owe" them help and assistance, and an expansion of their knowledge base. Worse, they believe they are "owed" those things on terms they dictate. If not delivered to them to thier taste they get panties in wad and criticise the delivery method or the messenger for any immediate fault they might perceive. We don't and we won't. If anything, the "debt" is the other way around. Most of you learned most, if not all, you know about gas engines from people like Antique, Jody, BCCHI, Aussiesteve, Apalsson, Pe Reivers, me, and a couple of others. The new guys posting a lot of flawed advice are people that got their stuff from the same sources but never bothered to become deeply enough involved, or learn enough, to quote us accurately. Engines, oils, rings, ignitions, service procedures, plugs, etc., you got it from us. BTW, there hasn't been a backyard prop stand test shown on this site yet that provided anything truly relevant to actual engine performance parameters. Spinning a prop at "X" RPM is not a true performance parameter, just how a fish scale static prop thrust test provides little of real use. That stuff does provide for some great comedy relief though. Those that appreciate the value of installing a real telemetry system on a flying aircraft are the few that are closer to developing accurate data when combined with static thrust tests.
Posted on: 1/12/2012 9:48 AM by Author "Tired Old Man" in the forum "Gas Engines"
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RE: DLE-20 fried a piston...
Thanks Jim! You ought to visit my place once in awhile, take your shoes off, let down the hair, and rest a spell. Lotta fun and frequently (generally?) irreverant. Never any mercy given with none asked for. You can come back here refreshed, knowing you were able to say pretty much anything you wanted to say and have as much fun as you wanted for a little while. The site owners like it that way. I just made today "special", an aberration if you will, something departing my normal avoidance, after reading this thread from top to bottom. I read the new stuff over here all the time but avoid getting involved. The gas engine thread has changed personality significantly from where it was only a couple years ago. Night and day beween when it first started and where it is now. For the most part I don't belong in this one anymore and prefer to be with a little more advanced group. No slam in that towards anyone, it's just a fact of life. I'm more a big engine, big plane guy, and prefer to assist in the progression from smaller to larger, basic to advanced. This has become a small engine forum now and looks to pretty much be staying that way. There's a place for everyone, small to large in this hobby, and this is a good starting point for new people. v/r, Pat
Posted on: 1/8/2012 8:13 PM by Author "Tired Old Man" in the forum "Gas Engines"
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RE: DLE-20 fried a piston...
It's called typos, get over it. As I said, there's only one reason to cook off an engine and that reason is the way the owner ran it. No if, ands, or buts. If anyone wants to challenge that assertion they can join me in the shop and we can try to burn up an engine or a hundred or so. Either too hot, to lean, too little oil, no oil, too much prop and too little cooling while too lean, or any combination of those. Of course there's always the guy that wants to go out with a brand new engine and try to fly it like he stole it because it has a warranty. Doesn't mean they are real bright but a lot of people do it and then turn around and try to blame the manufacturer. Hate to say it, but even the Chinese are smarter than that. They can read an engine too;) The person that tries to completely enclose a small gasser inside a tight cowl is well noted for killing engines during infancy. Both theirs and the engine's. I'm still in RC forums, just at sites where we can kick each other's butts and have raw unadulterated fun without fear of offending the silk panty group. We're not slaves to an advertiser. Today's posts were just aberrations.
Posted on: 1/8/2012 5:51 PM by Author "Tired Old Man" in the forum "Gas Engines"
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RE: DLE-20 fried a piston...
Just to stir the sensitivity pot. There is only one reason to stick a piston and that ownership lies with the person running the engine. Period. Everyone else dancing around your sensivitity with political correctness is doing you a disservice by providing a means for you to avoid responsibility. Yea, cooking off an engine and then making numerous attempts to avoid responsibility [i]really was [/i]enough to get me to post again. Don't get your hopes up and think there will be much of that happening.
Posted on: 1/8/2012 5:43 PM by Author "Tired Old Man" in the forum "Gas Engines"
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RE: Disappointed in RC Advancement Over Last 20 Years
I certainly do, and I agree with your assessment.
Posted on: 11/18/2011 6:18 PM by Author "Tired Old Man" in the forum "The Clubhouse"
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RE: Disappointed in RC Advancement Over Last 20 Years
For those bemoaning the lack of RC advancement over the last 2o years, I think they need to look beyond a low priced radio, or if they choose to focus there, admit the real problem is obtaining what they desire at a price they want to pay. If you want a great and nearly bullet proof radio, they are definately available. But not for a bottom dollar price. Gigantic strides have been made in RC technology, but much of it has been rewarded with a higher price. With the exception of what I'll call the "toy" electrics, advances in RC have enabled the world to develop UAV technology to a status far elevated above what we are willing to pay for. many of those RC advances have been embraced by UAV firms. Auto pilots, flight telemetry systems, miniature gps, 2.4 technology, ultra precision servos, composite construction and propellers, gas engines, turbines, fuel tanks, servo arms, and a host of others originally intended for RC have provided a steady supply of high tech, high quality components to an industry turning about 50 billion dollars a year. There's lots of really good stuff out there, and more being released every day. Unfortunately, as the price of higher technology products increased modelers shied away from them, and the dismal RC sales volumes forced the makers to seek a new buyer source, So the focus then shifted to appeasing those willing and capable of keeping the doors of the higher end, greater research dollar spent, RC manufacturers open. Futaba, Airtronics, JR, DA, 3w, Sullivan, Mejzlik, are just a few that now focus heavily on a larger aircraft industry because modelers expected to see break throughs in technology and quality sell for a lower price than what they had paid previously. Software people should really understand this since they have a shining example of pricing technology constantly higher with a firm like Microsoft. There are many truly great RC products out there, that have been there for quite some time, for those willing to step up and pay for them. Why make something you can't make any money on? Or, why market to a group that refuses to buy? I find new and amazing things in RC every day, and I see a lot of them marketed at a price that many won't or can't pay. But if you are willing to pay a little more for having the best, you can have the best indeed. Those that seriously want them, have them.
Posted on: 11/18/2011 5:25 AM by Author "Tired Old Man" in the forum "The Clubhouse"
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RE: DLE 20 wont idle
I said what I said to diffuse the situation at the request of a respected peer. There will be no more. To those that have benefitted, you are welcome.
Posted on: 11/17/2011 7:31 AM by Author "Tired Old Man" in the forum "Gas Engines"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=10816328

RE: DLE 20 wont idle
I'm going to do something here I rarely do and offer an apology to those that can't deal with me. I'm direct, real direct, which can be a bit tough on some people. I've also been handling a lot of issues that probably got carried over into my dealings with other people. To those that accept it, thank you.
Posted on: 11/16/2011 8:18 PM by Author "Tired Old Man" in the forum "Gas Engines"
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RE: DLE spark plugs!!!
The DLE plugs are real short on consistency. As previously noted somethimes you'll get one that works for awhile but frequently they will work only intermittantly, leaving the user quite perplexed sonsidering what is wrong with their engine. The NKG plug will last well in excess of 100 hours of run time. If you tune your engines reasonably well the NGK should last you 4 years or more for the average weekend flyer. This is the reason buying a well made plug for a little more money is actually cheaper in the long run, plus your flying days are spent flying instead of troubleshooting.
Posted on: 11/16/2011 8:15 PM by Author "Tired Old Man" in the forum "Gas Engines"
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RE: PROBLEMS WITH DLE 20CC AND OTHER SMALL GAS ENGINES??
Is the inlet the same diameter as what is found on the DLE 20 carb or of a different size? How many poor idling engines has this solution resolved? This may be something particular to the smaller gas engines so I'm interested to hearing more about how well it works and the number of different engines it has been tried on.
Posted on: 11/16/2011 5:01 PM by Author "Tired Old Man" in the forum "Gas Engines"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=10815520

RE: Carb Dripping Gas at Idle
Curious, was the fork engaged with button on the diaphragm when it was leaking or was the button sitting on top of the fork? The height gauge is a useful tool for those that obtain one. Good to see your resourcefulness and willingness to try new things.
Posted on: 11/16/2011 4:56 PM by Author "Tired Old Man" in the forum "Gas Engines"
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RE: DLE 20 wont idle
[quote]ORIGINAL: a1pcfixer The knowledge &/or helpfulness isn't the issue. The issue is the foul attitude in giving advice. To be helpful you don't praise with one hand while slapping down with the other hand. Being a 'mod' on TFC one should know better, and being banned from F_L_Y_I_N_G_G_I_A_N_T_S should have REALLY been a wake up and fly right alert, but seem to only embolden the foul approach instead. The condescending, know-it-all, nobody's as smart attitude does NOT engender newbie's to elevate such input to as lofty heights as a few do. Some of most certainly DO know what we're talking about on this issue! [/quote] Being banned on that site was a [i]deliberate[/i] act on my part. I wanted everyone to see how the owner of the site was restricting freedom of speech and telling the truth about products that happened to be advertised on his site. I was not banned until I mentioned getting an attorney involved to clarify where and how my freedoms of speech and association could be impacted by his and his moderators intervention. Immediate ban, and the door is still open for my follow up. I.E., know what you're talking about before opening mouth. Yes, I get extremely fed up seeing the same questions over and over again, especially when the answers to those questions are found in the newbie sticky if people bothered to read it. Worse is when people openly state they don't want to read anything with a lot of pages to find their answers and instead want everyone else to handle the question for them. The word that best describes is LAZY. Personally, I can't stand lazy people. The deductions from my paycheck pay for too many of them already so I certainly don't need any more. Do I know it all? Not hardly, but I DO know a lot more than most of you will ever hope to know about gas two strokes. BTW, they are exceedingly simple and a few minutes thought in troubleshooting from the simplest point back will usually resolve most issues. Start with what you did last. Do I receive arguements and debate about my answers to problems from those that know little or nothing? All the time, and frustrating is not the word to describe the feeling. Am I condescending? Most certainly, but when seeing the most simple questions about the most simple things that are obviously asked by people that have expended no effort in learning anything about a product before they bought it, it's deserved. It's hard to provide a respectful and intelligent reply to someone that exhibited little of either before comitting to print. Beofre ya'll tie me to the rail, which I expect soon, walk in my shoes for a few yards. America is becoming dumber every day but nobody has to perpetuate that. However, it's obvious that many like it that way. They prefer to have [i]others[/i] lead the way to avoid having to do or learn anything for themselves. They complain loudly when asked to do for themselves. Want an example? Try Occupy (name a city). It's all gimmee, gimmee, gimmee. So for many, condescending and uncaring is deserved IMO. They don't care about my time or effort, so why should me or others be concerned with theirs? I passed the point of being the little boy in the back of class jumping out of my seat exclaiming oooh, oooh, oooh, I know, I know, a very long time ago.
Posted on: 11/16/2011 12:58 PM by Author "Tired Old Man" in the forum "Gas Engines"
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RE: DLE 20 wont idle
[quote]ORIGINAL: 757jonp Knew? [/quote] Correct, it's knew, not new. Me sorry. Yes, I'm aware that was incorrect grammer.
Posted on: 11/15/2011 5:06 PM by Author "Tired Old Man" in the forum "Gas Engines"
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RE: DLE 20 wont idle
I won't deny dumb thumbing the keyboard now and then, and I don't use Firefox. However, I am also not opposed to admitting a mistake from time to time, as just demonstrated. As for having a controlled forum...if you only new.
Posted on: 11/15/2011 2:43 PM by Author "Tired Old Man" in the forum "Gas Engines"
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RE: DLE 20 wont idle
There was (is) a DLE 20 thread that grew to well over 100 pages, containing, several times over, all the answers to questions people had about their DLE 20's. None of you want to read it but everything you need is contained within that thread. Many times over. However, many of you DO want everyone to spoon feed you information as you determine you need it. Same thing happened with the DLE 30. One guy even made the statement he thought it would require to much of HIS time to bother reading it. Then you have all the threads devoted to problems generated by purchasing the cheapest possible products, where the price alone should have suggested would be present. That's not useless drivel, it's a fact of life. People have become too lazy to expend any effort or energy in helping themselves. They would rather have someone else do it for them. That's not bing mean spirited on my part in any way. Simply the truth and the way things have become. I will help anyone that demonstrates they really want to help themselves. If all they want is a handout then tough luck. Reading the newbie to gassers sticky is the first step in demonstrating the desire to help oneself, but so many of the questions about engines are provided by people that have clearly not read that sticky. That tells me they just want someone else to perform their due diligence for them. Leaving carb springs in place is noted in the sticky.... This is the ONLY RC forum exhibiting this kind of behavior. This forum never started out as a gas beginner forum, but as a place for gas engine discussion. It has only been with the advent of the 30cc and under engine class that it has devolved into something representing the lowest possible knowledge level. It's also the reason why about 90% of the experienced gas engine users moved on to other forums duscussing engines on more than the most rudimenatry levels.
Posted on: 11/15/2011 12:49 PM by Author "Tired Old Man" in the forum "Gas Engines"
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RE: PROBLEMS WITH DLE 20CC AND OTHER SMALL GAS ENGINES??
The fundamental problem found with most gas engines of any size is generally the same. The user combined with an extreme lack of understanding.
Posted on: 11/15/2011 9:11 AM by Author "Tired Old Man" in the forum "Gas Engines"
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RE: DLE 20 wont idle
I write such "drivel" because there is a rather large group, apparently germain to the RCU gas engine thread, that have no understanding of the fundamentals with anything mechanical. They come in here asking for help AFTER they boogered up what had been a perfectly good piece of machinery. That lack of basic understanding sets the stage for everything wrong that follows. Following that, they don't have a clue about linkage set up, connectors, clevises and ball links, servo requirements, prop type and sizes, engine break in, preferred oils and ratios, fuel selection, engine tuning, engine cooling, spark plug selection, spark plug cap security, and a plethora of other items required before turning on the ignition for the first time. Think I'm wrong? Go back and review the questions asked repeatedly in the last 10 pages of this forum. Don't go any further back because depression will be well developed after reviewing the stupidity of far too many gas engine users, perhaps becoming insurmountable by the time you go back 30 pages. If you intend to become involved with something, take a little time to learn something about it before jumping in with both feet. If you don't know how a carb works for crissakes don't start tearing pieces off of it to "make it better". The facts are already there. A well designed carb was renered less than adequate because the user had no understanding of the how and why it was made the way it was and therefore followed the direction of a firm with a long history of misrepresenting the way gas engines work. I'll toss this in because I'm certain it determined where the engine was obtained. He did buy it a little cheaper. Had the user obtained an engine, any gas engine, from a source with knowledge of how they work he would have been better served. From this point forward it's up to those that have that understanding to educate them in the porper operation of a gasser, and the associated components that permit one to funtion in the manner intended. But first they need to know the first basic rules, which I spelled out quite clearly. As to the matter of a voided warranty, perhaps you were also unaware that most of the major manufacturers instantly void their warranty when you remove the carb return spring. The reason for that is because removal eventually destroys carb functionality. So I started with the letter "A" when metaphorically describing the alphabet.
Posted on: 11/15/2011 9:08 AM by Author "Tired Old Man" in the forum "Gas Engines"
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RE: DLE 20 wont idle
Once that spring is removed most engine manufacturers consider the new engine warranty to be voided. Why do people remove something that causes no harm but generates much good? Hopefully you'll find Tower more useful when you require the future carb repair. Perhaps you should also contact Tower about your idle problems for correction. About the time you do you'll likely find out Tower doesn't know what they are talking about where gas engines are concerned and determine you made a mistake by following their directions the first time around. The throttle plate screws are in the middle of the shaft that retains the throttle plate at the back of the plate. First rule with things mechanical: If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Second rule: If it is broke don't make it worse. Thrid rule: if you don't know what you're up against and without mechanical aptitude, contact others with more knowledge and ability [i]before[/i] proceeding further. I'll leave it to you to determine which rules of mechanics you've broken.
Posted on: 11/15/2011 6:25 AM by Author "Tired Old Man" in the forum "Gas Engines"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=10812981

RE: prop breakin DLE 55
Gassers have no need of a break in prop. That requirement is reserved for non ringed, tapered bore, ABC glow engines. A ringed glow engine has no real need of a break in prop either, but does require a relatively cool break in.
Posted on: 11/14/2011 9:16 PM by Author "Tired Old Man" in the forum "Gas Engines"
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RE: prop breakin DLE 55
The first couple were letting you know that glow engines and gas engines are treated differently. What you did with that heads up is still in question. I'll suggest taking the time to read the stickies about gas engines before running out to start flying one. They [i]are[/i] different and the differences make or break your day, and sometimes your wallet.
Posted on: 11/14/2011 7:04 PM by Author "Tired Old Man" in the forum "Gas Engines"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=10812446

RE: DA 100 Carb problems
Especially when Jody and I were having a dioscussion about the same part numbers for a different reason earlier today.
Posted on: 11/14/2011 7:00 PM by Author "Tired Old Man" in the forum "Gas Engines"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=10812436

RE: Syssa Troubles...SOLVED!!
You missed Super08's point completely. The filters you have been using are useless. Dump the glow mentality and use products designed for use with gas engines, not those intended for glow engines. I'm not buying a word of the comments you made about crud puking out of the muffler. Not a way in hell the carb would have pressurized enough to push crap out of the muffler, and no way the muffler had anything at all to do with fuel flow. Perhaps you had stuck something into the muffler that was finally pushed out? Perhaps you just wanted to move on and not let anyone know where you had made a mistake?
Posted on: 11/14/2011 2:38 PM by Author "Tired Old Man" in the forum "Gas Engines"
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RE: Hots plans
The Hots was originally designed to be a "Fun Fly" plane. Take off, roll, loop, and land. It was a whole lot of fun to fly in it's time, and one of the first performance oriented kits converted to a profile to perforn as well as with a full fuselage. To make it a 3d plane one only needs to enlarge the flight surfaces a little.
Posted on: 11/13/2011 9:24 PM by Author "Tired Old Man" in the forum "Gas Engines"
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RE: DLE 20 Break In procedure?
An engine running at 10,000 RPM receives the same amount of oil, proportionally, as an engine turning 2,000 RPM. The oil ratio doesn't change because the RPM did. 32 or 50-1 is 32 or 50-1 at any RPM. The system moves the same amount of oil per RPM. RPM makes heat, just as a load does. An engine turing 4,000 RPM while subjected to a 2 to 5 amp electrical or mechanical load generates [i]more[/i] heat than an aero engine tuning 7,000 RPM mounted on an 18 pound plane. Loads equate to wear, and a heavily loaded engine, such as one with a cutting bar or trimmer head, wears rapidly if not treated right. By treated righ I mean a good oil at the correct ratio with a decent air filter. Our aero engines are hard pressed to experience much wear at all if they are treated in a similar manner. Re-read the previous mention of break in time again to develop a better grasp of that. If there was a lot of wear that break in time would be a lot shorter.
Posted on: 11/13/2011 9:18 PM by Author "Tired Old Man" in the forum "Gas Engines"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=10810980

RE: DA 100 Carb problems
The key was the carb had been disassembled. It's quite common for people to err when fitting the diaphragm pin back into the metering fork. When they do carbs always drip because the pin on the diaphragm is sitting on top of the fork, lifting the metering needle all the time. Really hard to tune since they will be running filthy rich. You have to slide the diaphragm onto the fork, usually lifting one end of the diaphragm for sighting to assure proper installation. Then add the cover plate.
Posted on: 11/13/2011 7:50 PM by Author "Tired Old Man" in the forum "Gas Engines"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=10810877

RE: who has used the DLE 111 and the DA 100
He's living alone at the moment so we might want to avoid that discussion;) No, there are no marital issues, just working a little ways from home. That doesn't change the crank thingie though. If I had to make a choice between a v1 or v2 DA 100 and a DLE 111, the DLE wins hands down. But that's just me. Now if a DA 120 was tossed into the mix the call would go to the 120 if I had the coin to part with. I'd take a BME 116 over all three.
Posted on: 11/13/2011 7:45 PM by Author "Tired Old Man" in the forum "Gas Engines"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=10810857

RE: who has used the DLE 111 and the DA 100
Those carbon pipes are made by ES Composites in Utah. A pair of those an a set of headers will set you back about what the DLE will cost. They are [i]very[/i] light (I had a pair) and [i]very [/i]expensive. But they are [i]very[/i] long so unless you need a lot more power than the engine will provide you might want to look into cannisters instead. We really don't want to get into who stole what from whom. Ever wonder where DA got their original engine designs? Sheesh. BTW, I love puppies and kittens. Don't use Amsoil.
Posted on: 11/13/2011 7:41 PM by Author "Tired Old Man" in the forum "Gas Engines"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=10805005

RE: DLE 55 Connecting Rod Bearing Failure
And thank you for helping to enlighten others about servos!!
Posted on: 11/13/2011 5:11 PM by Author "Tired Old Man" in the forum "Gas Engines"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=10810556

RE: RCGF twin with reluctant cylinder
You had, with the original engine, something with wildly erratic machine tolerances. Likely the "good" cylinder will not maintain a reasonable ring seal, blowing the combustable mix back into the crankcase. Another item with the RCGF engines was the squish dimensions. If you have an engine where both were close to the same you have a collector's item. Very rare.
Posted on: 11/13/2011 5:09 PM by Author "Tired Old Man" in the forum "Gas Engines"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=10810551