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RE: KMP
The Aerovate 26cc engine is from a new line of engines that KMP is introducing. I personally have worked with Keleo Creations to offer pre-engineered engine kits to drop in the 26cc rear induction into a few of ESM models. The ME-109, the Spitfire, the Corsair, the Mustang. The 26 has been tested with a 16/8 prop and it will turn up almost 8500 RPM after break in. The installation profile is only about 4 inches from the center of the crank to the top of cylinder. Check it out.
Posted on: 10/29/2009 12:48 PM by Author "flytaildragger" in the forum "RC Warbirds and Warplanes"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9212313

RE: KMP
Evil, I never said the 190 wasn't redesigned, it was. We have had two versions of the same plane. The plane I am refering to always was the second release and the current offering of the plane. It's lines look a whole lot better than the first. Andrew Kondor's influence. I am on this end of the phones, and the desire for the 190 prompted us to schedule a FW190 D9 large scale end of spring next year. I never said there hasn't been any issues either. All I am saying is the issues are solvable and the gear package is a decent value. On the tires, did you expect the tapered aluminum wheels with the rivets and bolt heads and the tires with the horizontal tread as the full scale 109, if so your expectation is unrealistic in the value of a $200 kit. Fact is the 109 wheels provided are skinny foam tired aluminum hubbed wheels included with the kit. When you expect the scale reproduction, you then bite the bullet discard what wheels that you don't like and just buy the ones that cost you 80 bucks each. I know someone makes them, I forget who. That is the joy of modeling, it is wrong however to expect this kind of expense in a retract system kit.... You get what you pay for.
Posted on: 10/29/2009 1:29 AM by Author "flytaildragger" in the forum "RC Warbirds and Warplanes"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9211417

RE: KMP
LDM, all I can say is overall the Gen 5 systems, (the air up and air down) do work. If they were inoperative to the point of your testimony, we would have had a wholesale return of them. An occasional issue here and there in the big picture of things. If they were leaking, you fix em. If the pressure wasn't enough to shove them down you increase the pressure. I run 115 PSI in mine and they work fine. I have never had a Gen 5 gear failure yet because I go thru them and check them as in a preflight. Like I also said, landing gently instead of carrier landings make a difference on the integrity of the gear. They do work. If yours doesn't, then figure out why or call and I will help you.
Posted on: 10/29/2009 1:17 AM by Author "flytaildragger" in the forum "RC Warbirds and Warplanes"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9211403

RE: KMP
The only fact you have there is the price reduction and what does that have anything to do with the issues of your opinions. OPINIONS and if you can't see the logic I am trying to introduce to you, this horse is dead. I still use the 109 wheels that came with my kit. Never did I say they were scale???? They are aluminum hubbed. I am using the rest of the air kit. I had to remove an aluminum filing from the fill valve. It works.... I guess it also depends on ones mechanical savy. Bottom line, I agree with you when you say you get what you pay for. IT is the value for the money you spend that changes and the Gen 5 kit has everybit the value they represent. They are now priced even lower.
Posted on: 10/28/2009 8:01 PM by Author "flytaildragger" in the forum "RC Warbirds and Warplanes"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9210572

RE: KMP
Apples to apples, I priced Shinden KMP ME-109 retracts and you get the following to compare to the Gen 5 kit. 1. Shinden retracts and Oleos. $225.00 2. Door mounting hardware $25 3. You have to buy wheels, Robart aluminum wheels is the closest comparison. $64 each (Wheels are included in Gen 5 system packages.) 4. Air kit 78.20 Spend this kind of money, and you have the right to expect the best from the manufacturer. The truth is, perfection is never acheived in any manufacturing process. Some are better than others. Put your money where your expectation is justifiable. This gives the modeler who chooses to use the Shinden retracts a $456.20 option to improve the Quality of the retract system. Point made and I stand by the earlier comment that all modelers have a choice to spend more for the American made versions. It all depends on what your pocket book can handle. And you keep refering to issues "we all know what went on with the KMP FW190" well, the only reference to this was an opinion you expressed. Being on this side of the phones, I get only praise for the new FW190 and desire for more availability. Evil, if you are going to give the impressions to other modelers who may take your opinions to heart, start by following up and using legitimate facts not opinions. Everyone has one. It doesn't mean that it is factual and we all can count on it. As far as the ESM relationship with KMP and your suggestion that were gouging the public, the factory decided to proceed down a road changing prices and deciding to eliminate the dealer structure. WE decided that service and local representation was more important than price. The move didn't serve our interests nor the modelers interest, in the long run, considering the service required that was related to ESM models. From a business standpoint, once again without knowing the facts behind any kind of move like this, you deliver implied untruthful suggestions that we could have been doing this all along. I would like to suggest you keep it to yourself unless you really know what you are talking about. You will get more respect as a result.
Posted on: 10/28/2009 4:40 PM by Author "flytaildragger" in the forum "RC Warbirds and Warplanes"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9209889

RE: KMP
Well said LDM You speak of track record, the Chinese have a learning curve. We offered what they produced. The 3 or 4 generations of retracts that was produced over the last 5 years perhaps should have another perception other than "we can't get it right"; maybe it can be KMP was in the saddle all the time looking to improve what we had to offer and influencing the learning curve of the actual manufacturer. Retracts aren't meant to survive carrier landings, you have to be a pilot and learn how to land gently with them, I don't care whose they are. The value of what you got for that $200 was in check. I don't believe that one can purchase the oleo's, the mechanisms, the aluminum hubbed wheels, the airtank and all valves, fittings, and line for that money elsewhere. Leaky cylinders are easily repaired. Tolerances for the fit are perceptions of Chinese manufacturing. For the money spent, the actual mechanisms worked very well, a shim inserted with the strut to fit better into the retract trunion is no big deal. IF these things bother you, Other manufacturers will provide a guaranteed fit and a leak free system after twice the investment. It is a choice the modeler has to go a different direction. I personally have experience with these retracts as well. I am a 30 year scale modeler and found the value a decent value for the investment. Knowledge of physics and mass can determine IF one needs to go through something as important as landing gear retract systems to double check screws, loctite set screws or operational freedom in a mechanical device such as these. Everyone has disappointments. My biggest was a manufacturer of a .60 size Zero I bought and it disinigrated in level flight. I just won't buy from that particular manufacturer again, not because of the defect in the plane, but the lack of service I got from the distributor. KMP has always been in the forfront of trying our best to backup what we sell. Sometimes, however, we are at the mercy of the manufacturer and that is quite another learning curve we are working on today.
Posted on: 10/28/2009 1:20 PM by Author "flytaildragger" in the forum "RC Warbirds and Warplanes"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9209378

RE: KMP
Well, Evil Now I know what happened to you. When I offered to repair your retracts free of charge and they never showed up, that would be ummmm, calling your bluff. Cause the fact is if in fact you did send them to me and I repaired them for you, you would lose your position of bashing Andrew and KMP. At this point, I must consider your reterick as an agenda known only to you and not serious. I was genuinely trying to help you. The gen 5 retracts in the big picture work well for the most part. A few issues, but mostly KMP has been able to provide decent customer service to resolve most issues that were associated with them. Public forum bashing of someone else without legitimate evidence, key word being legitimate, makes a statement that usually most people can see through. Good luck to you in the future.
Posted on: 10/28/2009 12:57 PM by Author "flytaildragger" in the forum "RC Warbirds and Warplanes"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9209311

RE: KMP F-7F Tigercat
Hi all Tigercat builders and pilots. The new landing gear retrofits for worm gear drives are available for the KMP Generation 5 retracts. All three gear can be retrofitted by replacing the air cylinders in the retract mechanisms including the nose gear. You can now have a very scale retract operation that is more reliable. The three gear can be plugged into a JR matchbox or something equivelant and either be powered by your on board RX battery, (if the current drain on your RX isn't to high from all the servos) or the matchbox allows you to plug in an external battery that will power the wormgear drives. There is a video of the nosegear operation with the retrofit at Magnumrc.com. http://magnumrc.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=7&products_id=14
Posted on: 10/27/2009 5:49 PM by Author "flytaildragger" in the forum "Twin & Multi Engine RC Aircraft"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9206966

RE: KMP
Evil, No I guess I don't know what you meant when you say Andrew's inspiration wasn't effective. There were two versions of the 190, the old one being a crappy design in accuracy lines and the new one well, it is much better with a considerable amount of praise. The signature series KMP Warbirds that are destined for release early next year will be the best inspiration yet when you have a cooperative team.
Posted on: 10/27/2009 4:46 PM by Author "flytaildragger" in the forum "RC Warbirds and Warplanes"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9206742

RE: KMP
Zippi, If the plane comes from ESM, it is the same airplane. The difference in weight will be the full composite version or the built up wing version. The paint scheme is different because they offer both versions of the plane. KMP only stocked one paint scheme version and two design versions. It would appear that TBM is bringing in the built up wing in the other paint scheme. If this plane is the 71" wingspan, it is the same plane only with out the inspiration of Andrew Kondor. I jumped in there because I knew the answer to your question, sorry.
Posted on: 10/27/2009 2:24 PM by Author "flytaildragger" in the forum "RC Warbirds and Warplanes"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9206354

RE: KMP
The new Signature series Aircraft from KMP will be released soon. They have nothing to do with ESM and they will be a complete new design. Once again, KMP will offer Warbirds with unique features. The biggest one is that they all will be IMAA qualified, the manuals will be written better and the hardware and retracts will be designed and sourced in the US. Parts availability will improve greatly to. We hope that the inspiration of Andrew Kondor will be better seeded and produce The Models of Distinction that he is known for. Give us a call at KMP if you want details. Thanks always for your patronage and may your heart's desires be fullfilled!
Posted on: 10/27/2009 11:37 AM by Author "flytaildragger" in the forum "RC Warbirds and Warplanes"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9205862

RE: KMP
Thanks Jim, You haven't seen nothing yet. The Signature series Warbirds are close to release. Keep a watch on the website for additional information. Any questions, call me at KMP and I will give you the lowdown.[:)]
Posted on: 10/26/2009 11:02 PM by Author "flytaildragger" in the forum "RC Warbirds and Warplanes"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9204848

RE: KMP - ESM F4U Corsair
Hi Everyone, I felt that a KMP response was in order here. There is a lot of speculation going on about the change that has happened. I wish to assure everyone that we were blindsided and that the pricing was apt for the time we had ESM products. What is different now is that ESM is offering past influences of Kondor Model Products that is no longer there. There were many changes occurring that did not support the interests of KMP as a business and things done in the final product delivery that were not approved by KMP on a product that bears the KMP name. ESM is on their own now marketing our past successes without the influence of Andrew Kondor who served in consulting for your benefit. KMP has always strived to deliver the best in quality and can be evidenced by some of the early dissapointments from years ago. KMP will again offer better than usual products at a good value. Quality that competes is expensive and KMP will always be associated with [i]"Models of Distinction"[/i]. On another note, www.magnumrc.com is another website dedicated to the KMP/ESM modeler to offer extra scale solutions to the owner of now ESM products. The latest being the worm-gear drive electric upgrades by Lado. Technical support for our customers will never go away. We will do the best we can to help you get the experience of what you bought.
Posted on: 10/5/2009 11:10 PM by Author "flytaildragger" in the forum "RC Warbirds and Warplanes"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9149993

RE: KMP
LDM, I am trying to make it clear, KONDOR MODEL PRODUCTS no longer will have their name on these planes... What you buy from ESM or TBM at a later date will not include Andrew Kondor's inspiration. KMP is moving on to bigger and better. From the business side of things, We distributed them entirely in the US and Canada. This has changed and the involvement of KMP with ESM no longer exists. We can still get parts etc, Our slogan, "A Model of Distinction" will be applied to other endeavors as Andrew Kondor moves forward in this fast paced ever changing market where the demands of the discerning modeler continue to be heard. We offer technical expertise when you get stuck, I helped form www.magnumrc.com where KMP modelers can locate hard to find accessories to assemble their aircraft. The hard to find spinner hub for the Aerovate 26cc that belongs on a Corsair or Bearcat or Tigercat if you use these engines can be found there. KMP, were not bowing out but up and to a different plane. (lol nice pun eh?)
Posted on: 7/3/2009 9:28 PM by Author "flytaildragger" in the forum "RC Warbirds and Warplanes"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=8904644

RE: KMP
LDM, as I may of mentioned earlier in this forum, KMP and ESM have separated. Due to simply two pathways that weren't on the same page for both companies. They established themselves with TBM as a result. The new planes being offered through TBM will not bear the KMP name or the continuing inspiration of KMP. Our new focus will be reflected in a new and different scale lineup starting late fall this year. Andrew has awesome plans for you guys. I can't wait myself to get one of the new ones.
Posted on: 7/3/2009 1:54 PM by Author "flytaildragger" in the forum "RC Warbirds and Warplanes"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=8903752

RE: Lado retracts, do the really exist?
Just wanted to let everyone know that there is a significant inventory of Lado/Magnum RC retracts available. Designed for KMP retract drop ins to replace the air cylinder. www.magnumrc.com so if anyone has KMP retracts fee free to check it out.
Posted on: 7/2/2009 4:02 AM by Author "flytaildragger" in the forum "RC Warbirds and Warplanes"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=8900074

RE: KMP
E, in Andrew's defense, He was in China during most of January with the bigger picture on his mind. Striving to breath the KMP inspiration into our products. Some of the past customer service issues have been the ongoing cross continent relations that inherently delay part availability. This is the main reason he hired me with 30 years modeling experience, I can usually help most modelers in putting these planes together. One thing [i]Andrew Kondor[/i] does for our industry is to continually aspire to improve the purchase experience for the value the modeler spends. You can see it in a track record from when he first started. Most anything that will bear the KMP brand name, will be a model of distinction, and it must be maintained to continue to bear that name.
Posted on: 7/1/2009 3:18 PM by Author "flytaildragger" in the forum "RC Warbirds and Warplanes"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=8898321

RE: KMP
Very nice 109 Freddie, I personally have one of these versions as well. You can see mine on www.magnumrc.com. One of the other scale details that is now available through magnum, is drop in electric wormgear retracts designed for the KMP retract mechanisms. There is a video there to demonstrate the scale realism. The electric wormgear design imitates the hydraulic up and down effect of the landing gear, and at the same time include a higher degree of reliability as well as simplicity and eliminate the maintenance issues of air systems in general. I for one will equip my Warbirds with these from now on because of the scale appearance and operation. The electric motors don't even consume the power of a regular servo and has power termination circuits built in so as to not run down the battery should something ever go wrong. Great product!
Posted on: 7/1/2009 3:14 PM by Author "flytaildragger" in the forum "RC Warbirds and Warplanes"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=8898180

RE: KMP
E, you misunderstood my comment; you said "[i]It does NOT take any more time to make a proper fuse than what the Fw 190 looks like today (hell as was said above even KMP said its working on a new one as the current one wasn't very scale)." [/i] What I said was a previous FW190 prior to the current one in place. The current ESM mfg. FW190 was not the one I was refering to. There was a previous one from several years ago that I would have agreed with you on. Not this one. Just wanted to clear that up before there was a misunderstanding.
Posted on: 7/1/2009 11:43 AM by Author "flytaildragger" in the forum "RC Warbirds and Warplanes"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=8897683

RE: KMP
Hi E, One of the concepts the KMP is working with as we speak, is that the Scalemasters Association in the Pacific Northwest has approached KMP about the accuracy of the scale lines in these latter generation models. And I quote, "KMP scale models as arfs will offer the modeler a ante up in competition in our advanced and open classes." unquote. Right out of the box before you as the modeler does anything to the kit to make it even score higher. In light of the direction KMP is heading, Our new line up will be even better when it comes to the scale accuracy being even closer. The new signature series airplanes we will be releasing in the late fall, will have 3 view drawings available to complete the requirements to compete in Scalemaster events. The point I am trying to make is, those people are pretty picky when it comes to scale accuracy. As an ARF, KMP seems to hold to a better standard in scale production that I have seen. I will admit however that the first FW-190 released prior to the newest one wasn't a very good scale reproduction, but that was several years ago and we discontinued it as a result.
Posted on: 6/30/2009 1:45 PM by Author "flytaildragger" in the forum "RC Warbirds and Warplanes"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=8894662

RE: KMP
Well, now is your opportunity to be taken care of. Send me your retracts and I will fix them no charge.... I have no idea how you fell through the cracks but it isn't as bad as you say. Secondly, the ME-110 is a Warbird designed for the power of gas engines. It isn't a glider. These fighters fly best at full throttle. Go fast, land dirty, perform well. My Tigercat with a 82" WINGSPAN weighs in at 23+ pounds. 58 oz per square foot wingloading demands speed for the weight. The ME-110 is 95" wingspan. Horses in the nacelles are required. I am not saying electrics can't be done, but horses are required to pull the plane. They don't like to slow down. Call me at KMP and try again. There are some new ideas when it comes to those retracts you might like.
Posted on: 6/27/2009 10:58 PM by Author "flytaildragger" in the forum "RC Warbirds and Warplanes"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=8886958

RE: KMP
Kondor Model Products is a company that has grown from infancy to a promise to supply the best in value priced model ARF designs to the Modeler who has the discernment to tell the difference. KMP, in a business move that will change once again a line of aircraft for the discerning eye. Fact: Kondor Model Products is no longer an importer of ESM products. Where the factory wanted to go and KMP wanted to go were two different paths. ESM models in the United States and Canada will no longer bear the KMP name. The influence of Andrew Kondor will no longer grace this line of Warbirds. What you order from now on with ESM models will reflect the opinions of the Chinese manufacturer only. They no longer represent the interests of KMP but their own inspirations in design. If you want a KMP ESM aircraft, call KMP and see what is left. After this inventory, ESM is on their own. KMP is gearing up to release what we call the signature series of Warbirds designed for what the American modeler and the thirst for quality he or she wants. An Arf design incorporating some modular technology in design, true to scale for the discerning pilot, and hardware born of the USA. This means if you need a piece that was destroyed or lost, most likely your hobby shop will have it. The planes will be IMAA qualified designed to incorporate scale exhaust systems and scale cockpits. And yes, we heard you when it comes to the manuals. They will be rewritten. The first releases are targeted for late fall. KMP ante's up once again to strive to attain the goals as set forth by Andrew Kondor,,, A Model of Distinction.
Posted on: 6/27/2009 2:01 AM by Author "flytaildragger" in the forum "RC Warbirds and Warplanes"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=8884947

RE: New KMP Hurricane
What about the Aerovate 26cc by KMP... That engine is rear inducted and has been tested with a 16x8 propeller close to 8500 RPM. Nice fit too. Keleo makes a inverted Pitts Muffler for the engine and it can be seen at www.magnumrc.com. From the top of the Cylinder to the center of the crank measures right at 4 inches.
Posted on: 6/11/2009 9:38 PM by Author "flytaildragger" in the forum "RC Warbirds and Warplanes"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=8845464

RE: New KMP Hurricane
aha! Good for you.. It forced me to investigate the truth... You are right... the 3.75 inch spinner is correct. I threw away my cheat sheet and made Andrew review and produce another. Didn't mean to mislead anyone and usually you can get correct information from the factory lol.. Thank you Jet for clearing it up.
Posted on: 6/11/2009 6:28 PM by Author "flytaildragger" in the forum "RC Warbirds and Warplanes"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=8845028

RE: RCGF Engines
Hi everyone, I am the Sales Technician from KMP. The Aerovate line has taken us by surprise and the demand is higher than the supply. I wanted to address the bolt for a spinner. The answer is yes the end of the prop main bolt is drilled and tapped for a 4mm bolt. If for some reason you don't have this on your engine, contact BJ's engine service. They are the factory authorized service center for both the Aerovate and the RCGF engines. Another accessory website you may find some good accessories for this engine is www.magnumrc.com. There is inverted Pitts mufflers and standoffs for this engine. Another jewel to be found is a scale prop hub designed for the 26cc that fits right over the drive plate for this engine. FYI
Posted on: 6/10/2009 9:02 PM by Author "flytaildragger" in the forum "Gas Engines"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=8842431

RE: New KMP 70
One of the biggest hassles in modeling and assembling cowls of fiberglass to fiberglass fuselages or nacelles is the vibration which plays heck to keeping screws and the cowl intact. Sometimes the blocks behing the fiberglass can be elusive. At www.magnumrc.com, you will find flush mounted rubber cowl mounts that enable the modeler to flush mount his cowl to fiberglass fuse without any of the associated hassels. The cowl rests on a rubber flush mounted rivet and a 6/32 Button head screw fastens the cowl to the mount and your hassles with vibration will disappear.
Posted on: 6/10/2009 8:40 PM by Author "flytaildragger" in the forum "RC Warbirds and Warplanes"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=8842376

RE: New KMP 70
Hello, I am the sales Tech at KMP. I want to address the wobbly gear. The first version of the new Generation 5 retracts which have the blue frame, are adjustable. There are two frame pins, when loosened that take up the slack of the trunion on the gear when adjusted properly. They are identified as having a small hole in the shaft and the shaft is offset holding the frame together. When you adjust the shaft, it will take up the slack and tighten the play on the retracts. The Gen 5 2nd version has no adjustment but they are better in that they block fit. I also want to mention that there is a new website called www.magnumrc.com that is an accessory website designed for items hard to find to assemble KMP planes. The main feature of the website is the Lado designed OEM retrofit electric upgrade for KMP retracts. At this time, they fit only Gen 5 systems.
Posted on: 6/10/2009 8:36 PM by Author "flytaildragger" in the forum "RC Warbirds and Warplanes"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=8842369

RE: New KMP Hurricane
Hello everyone, I am the sales technician for KMP. If you call the company I am the one you usually will talk with. In answer to your question, The Hurri has been delayed for delivery once again until late September. The first batch we had was all we got. The Spinner is a 4.5" standard spinner that is designed for this plane, That at least is what my tech information says. Good luck for those of you that are in the build.
Posted on: 6/10/2009 8:27 PM by Author "flytaildragger" in the forum "RC Warbirds and Warplanes"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=8842332

RE: Ultra RC 92
I couldn't help but notice your response to KMP's large scale line up. I happen to know what they are cause I man their phones on a daily basis. Debuing in late September or early October, KMP will introduce a 85" Corsair with retracts and a Supermarine Spitfire of 89" length. Now is the time to get your order in for these phenominal Warbirds, they will be excuisite.
Posted on: 5/26/2009 11:04 PM by Author "flytaildragger" in the forum "RC Warbirds and Warplanes"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=8801483

RE: KMP F-7F Tigercat
Mooney, I would be curious how you lost your plane. Are you the one who flew it through the trees? Did you have an engine stop? What happened.?
Posted on: 9/14/2008 11:42 PM by Author "flytaildragger" in the forum "Twin & Multi Engine RC Aircraft"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=7955054


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