RE: Yellow Aircraft F-16c build
Congrats on the flight.
Posted on: 11/3/2009 9:39 AM by Author "k_sonn" in the forum "RC Jets"
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RE: Yellow Aircraft F-16c build
Looking good buddy.
Posted on: 11/2/2009 11:55 AM by Author "k_sonn" in the forum "RC Jets"
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RE: Turbine or EDF
I'll start a new thread when I get to my destination. Going off line tomorrow. See you guys in a week.
Posted on: 10/22/2009 10:08 PM by Author "k_sonn" in the forum "RC Jets"
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RE: Turbine or EDF
Deleted ... double post.
Posted on: 10/22/2009 12:56 AM by Author "k_sonn" in the forum "RC Jets"
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RE: Turbine or EDF
[quote]ORIGINAL: jfetter Recover?! Are you insane?! This thing is oh so pretty... Jack [/quote] It looks good until you get close to it. Whoever applied the Flite Metal didn't really know what they were doing. The indentions and wrinkles are from using the wrong tools when applying the panels. Some of these could be removed with wet sanding but I would rather start fresh and do it right and then clear coat it to protect the metal. I knew what I was getting when I traded my Yellow Aircraft F-15 for it so I'm not complaining, just stating my intentions. I still think I got a good deal when I traded my Yellow Aircraft F-15 RTF minus the turbine for the F-86 RTF minus the turbine. Kirk
Posted on: 10/22/2009 12:51 AM by Author "k_sonn" in the forum "RC Jets"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9192628

RE: Turbine or EDF
Hi Tim, Thanks for the tips. That's different than the way I've done it in the past. I'm going to give it a try. The way I approach finishing Flite Metal is to wet sand it with 400 grit in one direction, then sand a few panels 90 degrees to the surrounding panels. It's a lot of work but looks great in the end. Here's a couple photos of a Mustang I built a few years ago. Kirk
Posted on: 10/21/2009 11:59 PM by Author "k_sonn" in the forum "RC Jets"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9192504

RE: Turbine or EDF
I received the BVM 80 inch F-86 today. I measured the intake opening and it is 93% of the FSA (fan sweep area) of the TF-8000 fan. I'll have to wait until I get to the East Coast so I can get inside the fuse to see if I can fit the fan/intake ducting but so far, it's looking promising. The Flite Metal is too shiny for my taste (not very realistic) and it's a little rough, but I can always recover it. Kirk
Posted on: 10/21/2009 6:55 PM by Author "k_sonn" in the forum "RC Jets"
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RE: Turbine or EDF
Hi Tim, Man, that's the truth. I'll have to limit myself to few meets. Kirk
Posted on: 10/21/2009 6:47 PM by Author "k_sonn" in the forum "RC Jets"
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RE: Turbine or EDF
[quote]ORIGINAL: smchale Kirk, have a good trip across country. Can't wait for you to be in the same time zone! [:D] [/quote] Thanks Sean. I'll be out there by the end of next week. It'll be great to fly and hang out with guys I've known online for 7+ years. And all of the jet ralleys and warbird flyins that take place on the East Coast and Midwest. I'll be like a kid in a candy store. [:D]
Posted on: 10/21/2009 11:21 AM by Author "k_sonn" in the forum "RC Jets"
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RE: Turbine or EDF
Jack, Where are you placing the batteries? In the same location as the Electra? Kirk
Posted on: 10/21/2009 12:55 AM by Author "k_sonn" in the forum "RC Jets"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9189969

RE: Turbine or EDF
Stu I think it's Audio Slave but not sure. tt's Chris Cornell voice though. Jack, nice job on the convesion. Rob, as usual, nice flying. Kirk
Posted on: 10/20/2009 9:41 PM by Author "k_sonn" in the forum "RC Jets"
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RE: Turbine or EDF
Cool Jack. Can't wait to see video. When I get to the East Coast I'm going pull out my Skymaster 1/8th F-16 and rework the intake. It hasn't flown since I removed the TJ-100. I was not very happy with the performance of that fan. The F-16's top speed was 130 mph after struggling to get in the air and needing a dive to gain speed. If a F-16 can't raise its nose and go verticle, it is under powered. I've been kicking around which fan I want to use, either the EVF or the DS-77 HST or the new SM110-HP (once Stu gets it tested).
Posted on: 10/20/2009 2:32 PM by Author "k_sonn" in the forum "RC Jets"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9188454

RE: Turbine or EDF
Good going Bob. I agree with Bob B. I saw BV fly the F-80 at EJets '09 and it flew very well and it's not a plane you often see at the field.
Posted on: 10/20/2009 2:08 PM by Author "k_sonn" in the forum "RC Jets"
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RE: Turbine or EDF
[quote]ORIGINAL: BobH Kirk, have a safe trip. [/quote] Thanks.
Posted on: 10/20/2009 11:22 AM by Author "k_sonn" in the forum "RC Jets"
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RE: Turbine or EDF
Bob, We leaving on Sunday. We're planning on taking 5 days to drive cross country. I'll send you mail once I get there. Kirk
Posted on: 10/19/2009 9:14 PM by Author "k_sonn" in the forum "RC Jets"
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RE: Turbine or EDF
[quote]ORIGINAL: uncljoe [quote]ORIGINAL: k_sonn Hi Uncle Joe, It sounds like your using the Flight Power EVO 30 packs. I think if you tried the new Thunder Power 40C packs BVM sells you will see a big difference in the pack tempertures. At least I did when I switched from the EVO 30's to the TP 40C. After a 5 minute flight they come out at few degrees above ambient temperture whereas
Posted on: 10/19/2009 4:10 PM by Author "k_sonn" in the forum "RC Jets"
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RE: Turbine or EDF
Hi Uncle Joe, It sounds like your using the Flight Power EVO 30 packs. I think if you tried the new Thunder Power 40C packs BVM sells you will see a big difference in the pack tempertures. At least I did when I switched from the EVO 30's to the TP 40C. After a 5 minute flight they come out at few degrees above ambient temperture whereas the EVO 30 packs would be 120 to 130 degrees after a 5 minute flight. If you do try the TP 40C packs, you'll have to drop the timing to low on the 5212 EVF because the TP 40C packs make the amps bump up and cause the fan to produce more power or you could replace the CC110 with the CC140 and not have to change the timing. As the 5612 is running in the 120A range you would have about 20A head room with the CC140. Kirk
Posted on: 10/19/2009 3:28 PM by Author "k_sonn" in the forum "RC Jets"
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RE: XPS 2.4 Module ??
Hey Paul, Yes, I dd find out what caused the loss of the Starfire. It seems using a LiPo battery in the 10X transmitter causes a diode or a board or something like that to burn out, in turn causing intermitten signal loss. There is supposed to be a bulletin on the Horizon site about this but to this day I have not been able to find it. After doing a lot of research and talking to several guys, I recently purchased a Futaba 12FG FASST system to replace the 10X.
Posted on: 10/18/2009 12:21 PM by Author "k_sonn" in the forum "RC Jets"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9182760

RE: Turbine or EDF
I give advice based on more than just "cheaper ways of getting results." If you are accussing me of being bought by BVM or being a BVM shill, you really are clueless. Ask Sean (StrictlyScale) what advice I gave him for his Yellow Aircraft F-18 or what advice I gave him for his twin project or what adice I gave him for his Spark or what advice I gave him for his Hunter project. Just because I like BVM products doesn't make me a shill or bought. It just means I truely understand the value of a quality product backed by the best customer service in the world. It's not my fault BVM products are the standard and everyone else is playing catch up and I'm intelligent enough to recognise it.
Posted on: 10/17/2009 1:10 PM by Author "k_sonn" in the forum "RC Jets"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9180486

RE: Turbine or EDF
[quote]ORIGINAL: Socomon This has degraded into yet another BVM versus XPS or XXXX thread. [/quote] Look at the first post of this thread. Bob asked about two BVM airplanes. It seems the BVM haters are the ones who came into this thread trying to steer Bob away from BVM products. Your first post in this thread was to bash large EDFs which infers you don't fly them, therfore you have no experience with them. So, if you don't think large EDFs are viable and if you don't have any experience with them, why are you hanging out in this thread? I don't see you offering any constructive advise based on your experience with any of these high-powered setups.
Posted on: 10/17/2009 11:49 AM by Author "k_sonn" in the forum "RC Jets"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9180332

RE: Turbine or EDF
[quote]ORIGINAL: jfetter My current project is a Bandit ARF EDF, we've already flown in on the 5612 VioFan and next we will move on to a custom unit they provided with a different motor and without an ESC (since I'll be using a Spin 200 now that we're getting above 12S), we'll be taking it up to 15S in 1S steps to gather full data at each step. I'm considering putting up a build thread, really a data sharing thread if anyone is interested... Regards, Jack [/quote] Jack, I would be interested in seeing a thread on RCU about your project. I just aquired one of the large BVM F-86's and need to decide if I want to put my P-120 in it or convert it to a large high-powered EDF. If I convert it I would want it to have enough power to fly around with authority instead of floating around the sky like a gait scale park flyer like most of the large EDFs did at EJets '09. I know Rob had mentioned something about possibly converting one of these and I would be interested in seeing what he's doing also. Kirk
Posted on: 10/17/2009 11:14 AM by Author "k_sonn" in the forum "RC Jets"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9180261

RE: Turbine or EDF
[quote]ORIGINAL: BobH But having said that.. a question to you jet experienced guys. Would it be more prudent to get say the Electra kit and mechanical retracts ect. and fly it first for a while? And then get the F-80? I'm just wondering (probably overthinking is more like it). Thank you all :) [/quote] With the warbird experience you have (translated to mean heavy wing loading exprience), I think you would be ok with the F-80. With the straight wing it will fly more like a warbird than a swept wing jet. The Electra is a great flying plane but it flies more like a pattern ship and it can land very slow. I guess it comes down to what flight characteristics are you looking for in a plane; sport, pattern-like flight or scale, warbird-like flight.
Posted on: 10/17/2009 11:05 AM by Author "k_sonn" in the forum "RC Jets"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9180243

RE: XPS 2.4 Module ??
Thanks for the responses. Not one jet pilot has stated they trust and/or use the XPS radio system. One guy even called Jim Drew out as a liar. I find it strange that Jim Drew did not post in this thread but after seeing this thread posted in the "Turbine or EDF" thread that there are many jet pilots using his radio system. I guess with his "used car salesman" sense of honesty that statement can't be believed. In fact, I wonder if any of the statements he has made in other forums about other products he sells has any truth to them.
Posted on: 10/16/2009 2:33 PM by Author "k_sonn" in the forum "RC Jets"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9178312

RE: Turbine or EDF
But Ron, there is a need to prove it. To give a blanket statemnt that any brand of cells is good without discussing the environment the cells are being used in can be misleading. The EVF is one of the fans being considered here. It was designed to work in the BVM F-86 and it works better than any other that has been put in that airframe to date. So, recommending a brand of cells without proving those cells can survive is bad advice. I'd be interested in seeing your results once you have consistently run the Hyperion cells at 120A or more without special cooling over the cells. That is the condition Thunder Power 40C cells have been running in the BVM Electra and F-86 all season long without the loss of one single cell due to amp draw or over heating. If the Hyperion cells can survive after prolonged use (as the Thunder Power cells have proven), that's great and we will have more battery choices for the truely high-powered setups. But until it can be proven, the Thunder Power cells have no equal.
Posted on: 10/16/2009 11:51 AM by Author "k_sonn" in the forum "RC Jets"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9177968

RE: Turbine or EDF
[quote]ORIGINAL: TerryTill Kirk, this is what set me off: ''Yeah Jim. I guess if a guy wanted to be in the losers circle'' You can either be a gentleman, sharing all your experiences and letting others make an informed decision, or you can sound like a jerk, saying ''my way is the best way and all other ways are inferior''. Of late you seem to be choosing to go the latter path and it's getting pretty sour. By the way, your link above to the thread was cleaned up some. Had it not been, it would have been more proof of you getting into a p_ssing contest with Tam. I remember reading it. Again, you can be a gentleman or a jerk. Although I'm picking on you, that really goes for anyone who thinks their way is the only way because they have too much ego and self-esteem wrapped up in their equipment choices. I'm done writing... [/quote] You recommended the Hyperion cells. Can you prove to us they can survive at 120A or greater without special cooling instead of personally attacking what I have to say, which by the way you don't have to read.
Posted on: 10/16/2009 11:22 AM by Author "k_sonn" in the forum "RC Jets"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9177894

RE: Turbine or EDF
[quote]ORIGINAL: TerryTill [quote]ORIGINAL: k_sonn Yeah Jim. I guess if a guy wanted to be in the losers circle, they'd fly your stuff because none of your stuff made it to the winners circle at EJets. Let's see, the 5 finalists were all flying Electras; four of them with the EVF and one with a DS-94 and all were using the Thunder Power 40C batteries. None of them had cooling and none
Posted on: 10/16/2009 9:50 AM by Author "k_sonn" in the forum "RC Jets"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9177692

RE: Turbine or EDF
Yeah Jim. I guess if a guy wanted to be in the losers circle, they'd fly your stuff because none of your stuff made it to the winners circle at EJets. Let's see, the 5 finalists were all flying Electras; four of them with the EVF and one with a DS-94 and all were using the Thunder Power 40C batteries. None of them had cooling and none of them destroyed their batteries. Of the vendors you mentioned above only you and one other tried to compete in the speed contest. We all know what happened to your plane and the other one was knocked out of the competition on the first day of qualifying, never to try and qualify again because his speed was too slow. You said "Since batteries, fan systems, and associated components is not our actual "business" (we manufacture radio systems), these are items that we do not need to make money with, so we offer everything at basically our cost. We know that this creates sales for our radio business by bringing more and more attention to our company." Well, it's easy to see why you think you have to sell stuff at cost in order to generate business. This thread shows how realiable your radio system really is: [link=http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_9175315/tm.htm]http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_9175315/tm.htm[/link]. The you tube video puts the nail in the coffin on your 2.4 system. It makes one wonder if all of the stuff you sell is this reliable, especially in light of you being the only one at EJets to lose a jet due to your XPS LiPo battery failure.
Posted on: 10/16/2009 12:42 AM by Author "k_sonn" in the forum "RC Jets"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9176016

XPS 2.4 Module ??
How many guys trust flying their jets with the Xtreme Power System (XPS) 2.4 module? I know several guys who had this system and have since replaced it for either FAAST or Spektrum. Just wondering if anyone trust flying their jets with this system.
Posted on: 10/15/2009 12:21 PM by Author "k_sonn" in the forum "RC Jets"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9175315

RE: F-16 Ace In The Hole Scheme Question
[quote]ORIGINAL: mikedenilin What scale is your F-16? We have some water slide decals for this ACE IN THE HOLE for the 1/8 scale F-16. We also have done some 1/8 paint scheme in our production models. Mike [/quote] It's a 1/8th scale Skymaster F-16. I'll be working on it in a couple of months. I'll give you call then to discuss the decals. Kirk
Posted on: 10/13/2009 4:21 PM by Author "k_sonn" in the forum "RC Jets"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9170302

RE: yellow f-15 fuel vent question...
[quote]ORIGINAL: YellowAircraft Kirk, Where'd you get your Eagle? [/quote] Shawn, I purchased from one of my flying buddies. Kirk
Posted on: 10/13/2009 4:18 PM by Author "k_sonn" in the forum "RC Jets"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9170297