RE: need to revive my old foamy--help
No problem, just sounded like you were ready to junk everything. Most of your basic information is going to be learned from fellow fliers that have already gone through what you are right now or in the 3 forums I know of rcuniverse, rcgroups.com, and wattflyer.com . Each of these have general electric forums / beginners forums that can give you lots of help. In rcuniverse look under electric flight and then scroll down through the different forums and look for beginners, lots of information can be had in these. There is also a lot of information gained on different manufactures web sites. I looked up the motor you said you had and I saw an amp usuage of 6-10 amps. I didn't look up the castle creations 10 speed controller, but what sounds like is going on with the motor stopping, is at wide open throttle your motor is pulling 10 amps or maybe a little more and the speed controller is shutting the motor down to protect itself from melting down, or giving the puff of white smoke that means the electronics have decided they have had enough. Generally on speed controllers no matter who the manufacturer, it will have some kind of number on it, like yours 10 , others 18, 12, 30 and so on. Those are generally the amp rating of that speed controller. If the battery wasn't up to the amps being pulled your motor would surge, it would still run but the rpm's would fluctuate up and down at wide open throttle. This is a good way to ruin the batteries. ( I have done it before myself) Look around at the different forums listed above, others are asking the same questions you have. Happy Flying Brett
Posted on: 1/5/2008 7:46 PM by Author "lckstrk" in the forum "Foamies! - RC Electric Foam Aircraft"
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RE: need to revive my old foamy--help
Hope this helps a little The reason you are getting frustrated with the terms being used is you haven't researched or taken the time to build your knowledge base in the relm of electric flight. I am sure you didn't know the first time you went to field/shop the difference between the different types of glo fuel available, which to use as break in and which to run on a normal basis after breakin. You took the time to learn what you needed to do to be successful. Glo and gas have standards as does electric. I am sure you have delt with amps before, you do have a controller battery in your transmitter and a reciever battery in your glo plane. Some are rated at 600mah (smaller battery capacity) to 1200mah or larger(larger battery capacity/ more battery life) -- mah = milli amp hours . 1200 milli amp hours is the same as 1.2 amp hours. Milli is a conversion like liter and milliliter. So your 11.1v, 10c - 3 cell lipo at 1000 mah is a mediumish sized battery. It is made up of 3 different 1000 mah lithium polimer batteries wired together to give you 11.1 volts of power with a capacity of 1000mah. Each battery(cell) has roughly 3.7v per cell. The higher the voltage the faster your electric motor will spin (in general). The larger the amp hour rating the longer you will be able to fly your plane. The 10c is a contiuous discharge rating for your battery. Go [link=http://www.commonsenserc.com/page.php?page=c_ratings_explained.html]here[/link] for an explanation. It sounds like your current speed controller is a little small. If it is cutting out at full throttle, your motor is most likely requiring more amperage to keep it running than what your speed controller or battery can handle. So back to your original question a 15c 1200 mah or 1500 mah battery should be just fine. It could be slightly larger than your 1000 mah battery, so make sure you double check your center of gravity if you get a slightly larger battery. With electric it is always better to have your speed control and batteries rated higher than what you are using power wise. If you have a motor pulling 10 amps, you will be happier and have less problems with a speed controller rated at 15 - 20 amps. Your batteries will also last longer if you are using a battery with a higher 'c' rating than one that is rated right at what our system requires. Do a little research and learn the lingo, electric does have a standard it is just in different units of measurement than what you are used too. imho Brett
Posted on: 1/4/2008 9:27 PM by Author "lckstrk" in the forum "Foamies! - RC Electric Foam Aircraft"
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RE: Here's a Simple & FREE First Foam Build Plan! Cool Looking Plane Too...
[quote]ORIGINAL: critterhunter Still toying with other ideas for the boom on the AP plane. Does anybody think that two aluminum arrow shafts spaced parallel and about an inch apart inside the tail boom foam (as in in the above pictures) will be enough to keep the boom from twisting/flexing? I'd melt two channels into the tail boom foam and use gorilla glue to glue them in place. I could then add a few "X" struts in the foam to connect the two, or perhaps just melt one channel and glue both tubes touching side by side? Keep in mind it isn't strength I'm concerned about (I know they'd be plenty strong enough), it's left/right twist of the tail that bothers me. If I go that route I might not need to sheet the boom in balsa. [/quote] Long time no post, but I check the thread every so often at work. I like to keep up on what builds you guy's are doing since I can't quite find the time to do the ones I have lined up. I built a twin boom similar to what you are asking about out of some scavenged parts, I didn't use foam though. I used 1/4" hardwood stock that was approx. 2" apart and ran them from inside the main fuse of the plane, back to a balsa horizontal stabilizer. The only support for the booms comes from the fuse and the balsa stabilizer. The plane itself is a pretty slow flyer and I didn't think any extra support was going to be needed. In a roll, the twist is pretty noticeable and I don't get to abrupt with it. Strength going up and down is just fine. There is no noticeable flex in a loop or going into a dive. If you plan on using a foam filler between them, it should be plenty strong, especially if your going to use the plane as an AP platform. I doubt you will be getting to wild with it. Brett
Posted on: 12/6/2007 6:20 PM by Author "lckstrk" in the forum "Foamies! - RC Electric Foam Aircraft"
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Thanks for the compliments Saucer. To answer Critter's Question about set-up, I am using equipment I had on hand, a bp hobbies bp8ss cd-rom, great planes 25 amp speed control, common sense 2100 mah 3s1p battery, my park flyer futaba rx and micro servo's. I was going to use a single aileron servo tied to a sullivan cable to operate both aileron's like I have done before but I used ca hinges on this one instead of tape, so they are a lot harder to move and I could tell it was more than what my servo could handle. I then opted for the dual servo's set-up on different channels, so I now have the ability to use flaperons, which I have used a couple of times and it just floats in and almost set's itself on the ground. Flight report -- 3 flights so far. First one I didn't have the CG correct and was to far aft, plus the wings were not stiff enough. The flight went okay but was a little more than what I thought it should have been. I Added a large metal screw into my fire wall that I can screw in and out to fine tune the CG, plus I added a large dowel into the top of the wing that runs about 3/4 of the way out to each tip and is solid through joint portion of the 2 - piece wing. Since the modifications the next two flights have gone pretty well. 1/2 throttle and very light toss with or against the wind and it flies straight out with very little adjustment needed. The thing that I think is really different on this plane compared to my last ones is the performance factor. On this one the roll rate is for ever and a day, due to aileron size/wing size I am not sure. The wings are 54" wide and that is a lot of surface area to try to roll. This was one reason I was thinking about cutting them down a little. The flight times on this are incredible. I am guessing on a fully charged pack I should get 30+ minute flights due to the fact that I never charged the battery between 1st and 2nd flights and both those were around 15-20 minutes each. Overall I am pretty happy with the outcome, I was going for a lazy easy flier that I could toss out and just cruz around and that is what I got. Brett
Posted on: 6/28/2007 1:46 AM by Author "lckstrk" in the forum "Foamies! - RC Electric Foam Aircraft"
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Thanks, I haven't really finished it yet. The blue on it is just painters tape that I put on it for Hanger/Grass rash while working the bugs out and getting it dialed in. I still have to paint it so it looks a little better. It might be worth getting a couple of these type of planes, even if a person plans on just using bits and pieces of the planes. A good set of cheap finished wings could come in handy on a scratch build. Brett
Posted on: 6/27/2007 11:14 AM by Author "lckstrk" in the forum "Foamies! - RC Electric Foam Aircraft"
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This is off topic a little bit, but an easy conversion and very inexpensive plane to purchase are the huge chuck gliders. I bought the plane for $5.00 dollars at big lots but have found some for $4.49 at our local Winco (Super Market). I also used a single serve apple sauce container for the motor cowl and creamer bottle for the canopy/battery cover. I thought about cutting the tail off and making a SO style twin boom out of it, would be very simple. The flight plat form is very stable and has a huge amount of lift. I am currently thinking of cutting the wings down a little but I think I will get a couple more flights on it before I make any drastic changes. Brett
Posted on: 6/26/2007 5:44 PM by Author "lckstrk" in the forum "Foamies! - RC Electric Foam Aircraft"
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CRITTER COULD YOU POST A COUPLE OF PICS FOR YOUR MOTOR MOUNT, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOW IT IS DONE. ONE OTHER THOUGHT ON THE POLY / FIBERGLASS FINISH, WERE YOU OVERLAPING ANY OF THE MATERIAL. I WRAPPED THE WING AND FUSE IN ONE PIECE THEN SMOOTHED OUT AS I WENT. THE WING IS RUBBERBANDED TO THE FUSE SO TWO DIFFERENT PIECES OF FIBERGLASS. THEN AFTER EVERYTHING WAS DRY AND FINISHED I CUT OUT PIECES OF THE FIBERGLASS THAT WERE OVER THE HOLES IN THE FUSE FOR THE HATCH AND OTHER ACCESS POINTS. I OVERLAPPED 1/4 " TO ABOUT 1/2" OF MATERIAL. THE FIBERGLASS WOULDN'T BE TOTALLY RELIANT ON THE STICKING STRENGTH OF THE FOAM BUT WOULD BE LOCKED IN PLACE BY BEING ATTACHED TO ITSELF. THE LINK TO THE DELTA FFF PLANE IS [link]http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_4187807/tm.htm[/link]. IN THE FIRST COUPLE OF PAGES 2-5 OR SO THERE IS A COUPLE OF POSTS ON HOW TO BUILD IT. THEN AROUND PAGE 8-9 THERE IS A VERIATION ON IT THAT IS MORE OF A FLYING WING. MY NEXT PROJECT I THINK I WILL TRY SOME OF THE FOAM FOLDING TECHNIQUES USED IN THIS THREAD TO BUILD A 'SO' WITH LARGER WING SPAN. YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO USE A FOLDED FOAM WING WITH A YARD STICK SPLIT DOWN THE MIDDLE LENGTH WISE FOR A SPAR AND GET A PRETTY STRONG WING THAT WOULD GIVE YOU THE SIZE FOR YOUR DUAL BOOMER. I HAVE NOTICED A LOT OF PEOPLE USE A BP BRUSHLESS MOTOR. I BOUGHT ONE JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE SO CHEAP TO SEE HOW WELL THEY WORK. I WOULD LIKE TO MOUNT IT MORE LIKE A TRADITIONAL MOTOR IN THE GWS MOTOR MOUNT THAT COMES WITH IT. HAVE ANY OF YOU TAKEN THE BELL ASSEMBLY APART AND PRESSED OFF THE SHAFT, TURNED THE SHAFT AROUND AND MOUNTED IT "BACKWARDS"? THE REASON FOR THIS IS IN A PUSHER CONFIGURATION THE WAY IT IS CURRENTLY MOUNTED PUTS THE MOTOR FURTHER AFT THEN NEEDED AND I WOULD HAVE TO ADD WEIGHT TO COUNTER ACT THIS. IF IT WAS MOVED FORWARD BY MOUNTING IN A TRADITIONAL MANNER I WOULDN'T NEED TO ADD WEIGHT. BRETT
Posted on: 5/12/2007 12:27 PM by Author "lckstrk" in the forum "Foamies! - RC Electric Foam Aircraft"
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critter, sorry to here the fiberglass cloth didn't work for you. The kind that worked best for me was Silkspan, very light weight, and 2-3 coats of polycrylic. I brushed it on in ample amounts, then when dry, I used 400 grit wet/dry sand paper to smooth out the finish. I was using it on the pink foam like my original SO build. I did use some 3/4 oz on the body and the increase in thickness of the fiberglass did cause some wrinkling and some small sections didn't stick but overall it came out pretty good for my first time. The silkspan on the wing came out very well and had no problem sticking to the foam. It might have to do with the amount or size of the pours in the foam if you used the white foam that was originally suggested in the SO build plans. Off topic, if you are looking for a very fast and very agile plane, you should try the delta/mugi in the 'one tough delta thread'. I have two flights on my completed fff mugi and it has unlimited vertical with my double stator cd-rom motor. On high rates, which is only set up as 80% servo travel, you get about 3 very axial roles per second. [X(] The fun part about the build is how simple and easy the plane goes together. The only complaint I have is the orientation is lost at times very easily. How did you like working the econocoat? Brett
Posted on: 5/8/2007 1:27 AM by Author "lckstrk" in the forum "Foamies! - RC Electric Foam Aircraft"
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FUNNY YOU BROUGHT UP THE FIBERGLASS TUBING FROM OLD TENTS. I USE A CUT OFF PIECE OF TUBING WITH A METAL END TO MAKE HOLES IN FOAM WHEN NEEDED. HEAT THE METAL END THAT IS ATTACHED TO THE FIBERGLASS ROD WITH A HEAT GUN AND YOU CAN PUSH THAT INTO OR THROUGH THE FOAM TO MAKE NICE ROUND HOLES IN THE FOAM. I HAVE USED THIS "TOOL" TO MAKE THE HOLE FOR MY 3/8" HARD WOOD MOTOR MOUNTS IN ALMOST ALL MY FOAMIES. USE GORILLA GLUE AND IT EXPANDS NICELY IN THE HOLE TO TAKE UP THE EXTRA SPACE FROM THE SQUARE PEG IN THE ROUND HOLE. ALSO WITH A LONGER HANDLE IT GIVES A GOOD SIGHT LINE OR MEASURING LINE TO GET A GOOD TRUE LINE ON THE MOTOR MOUNT. THE ONLY THING YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF IS WHEN THE GORILLA GLUE IS SETTING UP IT CAN CAUSE THE HARDWOOD MOUNT TO MOVE A LITTLE SO YOU HAVE TO SECURE IT SO WON'T MOVE, WITH TAPE OR WEIGHT. BRETT
Posted on: 5/3/2007 10:57 AM by Author "lckstrk" in the forum "Foamies! - RC Electric Foam Aircraft"
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RE: Here's a Simple & FREE First Foam Build Plan! Cool Looking Plane Too...
Critter, Read back through most of it through the last couple of weeks or so. The SO that was CNC cut looked great. Makes me wish I had that kind of shop available to work in. It did take some time to catch up [:D] I just turned over the last tractor set up I built over to my brother in replacement for the swept wing that he crashed, and has a couple of flights on it without crashing, hopefully it stays that way, at least for a while. Next project currently is a Delta made from FFF, the build thread is ONE TUFF DELTA. Looked easy to build and I have half a bundle of blue cor to use up. I was also looking at the Harpy / Harpy cat. The harpy is over at RCGroups. Forward swept design that looks pretty interesting. I also still have some pink owens corning foam and white styro that needs to be built into something. Although new baby and a 2 year old are pretty much taking up most of my extra time. So I build in 1/2 hour to hour increments every couple days or weeks. They kind of all blend together right now. Your big boomer looks pretty interesting, I would imagine it should be pretty stable and float really well for your photography. Just follow the link I supplied previously and the covering process is pretty easy. You can use silk span which is really light to cover in or a little heavier fiberglass mesh for more strength. I used 3/4 ounce mesh for the fuse and the silkspan on the wings. I used the same power set-up I had on the SO, cdrworks double stator with a 11.1 v, 2100 mah li-poly battery, and 7x4 prop. Lots of power and speed. I did get some good build techniques from Nastytoesaviation.com . Especially on the aileron setup. using a sullivan cable that connects both ailerons with a single servo. The servo is connected to the cable in the middle of the wing. If you go to his site look under assembly and they show you how to build one of their planes and it shows the aileron setup and a link for the polycrylic covering technique. I have no ties to his site but he has some really interesting builds to look at. I did use one of his techniques to build my last plane. Like your fuselage that has to pieces glued together on the big boomer, before i joined them i cut out a hole / void in the foam then glued the two haves together and you have instant room to put batteries, servos, radio and everything is tucked nicely inside the plane. I then cut a hatch in the top for access to the components. sorry for the length of the reply. Brett
Posted on: 4/21/2007 12:31 AM by Author "lckstrk" in the forum "Foamies! - RC Electric Foam Aircraft"
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NICE TO SEE THE THREAD IS STILL GOING. IT HAS BEEN A WHILE SINCE I HAVE LOOKED IN ON IT. MY ORIGINAL SO, FROM AROUND PAGE 6 OR 7 FINALLY MET IT'S DEMISE WHEN THE ELEVATOR SERVO FAILED AND I NOSED IT IN AT FULL THROTTLE WHILE TRYING TO GET IT TO RECOVER FROM A DEATH SPIRAL. I HAVE BUILT A COUPLE SINCE BUT THEY HAVEN'T BEEN AS GOOD AS MY ORIGINAL. THOSE ENDED UP BEING TURNED INTO CHUCK GLIDERS WHICH MY 2 YEAR OLD ENDED UP TEARING APART. I DID BUILT A SWEPT WING VERSION OF THE SO , WITH MIG STYLE MARKINGS, HAD IT DIALED IN AS A FAR TRIM AND BALANCE, GAVE TO MY BROTHER FOR HIS BIRTHDAY AND ON HIS FIRST FLIGHT HIT A TREE BRANCH THAT KNOCKED IT OUT OF THE AIR AND IT LANDED IN HIS CREEK. BUSTED IT UP A LITTLE BUT I COULDN'T REALLY REPAIR TO MY LIKING. SO IT ENDED UP IN THE TRASH WITH THE ELECTRONICS GOING INTO A DIFFERENT PLANE. CRITTER, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO PUT A WOOD SPAR OR TWO IN THE WING DUE TO INCREASED WEIGHT OF THE BOOMS AND TAIL SECTION. ONE OTHER OPTION IS TO COVER THE WING IN A FIBERGLASS CLOTH AND USE SEVERAL COATS OF POLYCRYLIC. I USED THIS METHOD ON MY LAST PLANE, (IT WAS A FIRST ATTEMPT AT A PRETTY STANDARD STYLE PLANE, TRACTOR SETUP) AND IT WORKS REALLY WELL. PRETTY SMALL WEIGHT INCREASE BUT LOTS OF ADDED STRENGTH TO THE FOAM. ON MY FIRST FLIGHT TEST I HAD THE CENTER OF GRAVITY TO FAR AFT AND HAD A PRETTY ROUGH LANDING BUT DID NO DAMAGE. IF I HADN'T HAD THE COVERING I WOULD HAVE DESTROYED THE WING. THERE IS A BUILD THREAD AT RCGROUPS ON IT http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=192622 . THE FIBERGLASS CLOTH IS FAIRLY INEXPENSIVE 5- 10 DOLLARS FOR ABOUT 2 PLANES WORTH, AND THIS IS FUSE AND WINGS COVERED. THE POLYCRYLIC IS AROUND 12 DOLLARS FOR A QUART AT HOME DEPOT. IT ALSO PAINTS REALLY WELL. JUST MY 2 CENTS. BRETT
Posted on: 4/19/2007 2:24 PM by Author "lckstrk" in the forum "Foamies! - RC Electric Foam Aircraft"
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Fisher, Right around 25oz. Do you have a website you are getting your Commensense Lipo's from?
Posted on: 3/18/2006 2:50 PM by Author "lckstrk" in the forum "Foamies! - RC Electric Foam Aircraft"
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Critter, Never had a range problem with the GWS receiver. I too could not pass up such an inexpensive and light receiver. I have flown it way past 500 ft (if you check this, it might be ground to ground -- instead of ground to air) without a hint of loosing control. It could be the strenght of signal from my transmitter though. The only thing I am not sure about is the speed control having to be rearmed on occasion while in flight. I don't know if it is RF interferance with the Receiver or if I am pushing the speed control on it's limits. I saw some data on the cdr motor I am using from MTWallet and he had 23A and 24A ratings with different prop sizes. The motor itself doesn't get hot and the speed control stays cool as well. I will most likely need to get a new lipo battery thought. I usually only use full throttle in short bursts because the electrifly battery only has an 8c burst rating and after about 10-15 sec the motor on occasion will start to 'flutter' like it needs more power. So I try not to do this.
Posted on: 3/18/2006 12:26 PM by Author "lckstrk" in the forum "Foamies! - RC Electric Foam Aircraft"
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I would add some photos but it won't let me, keeps telling me that my file size is to big. Could be the fact I am on a dial-up connection. Will get photo's posted soon. I am guessing that the AUW is around 20-25 oz because it is slightly heavier than my stock stryker. I don't have landing gear so it ROG's off it's belly. Roll rate is some what axial. It is pretty tight going with the motor and a little corkscrewish going opposite the motor. If I increased the aileron size I am sure the roll rates would increase. I was thinking of a swept wing version of this same plane once the one I have is ready to be decomissioned. I am sure it will go down hard one of these days. It already has about ten flights on it since my first post. I hope this info helps. Ok..Finally got them to upload. Thanks for the crop hint. Kind of funny before I did that the files were way under the max file size but I guess what ever works. You will have to excuse the bad paint job. I was going to rattle can the plane white first but the acetone and other chemicals in the spray paint started eating the foam. I just used a water based craft paint to get some color on the top of the plane so I wouldn't have any perspective problems. The weight is more likely around the 25 oz mark. I had a chance to weight it yesterday, not very accuratley but close enough. Alls I care is that it flys. I also flew it in 10-15 mph winds yesterday with no problem. At about 1/2 throttle I could get it to just hang in the air with no forward movement. On the under belly picture, if you notice the nose you can see I had to add a pretty big chunk of metal to get the CG correct. If this could be avoided the total weight would have been a bit less. Smaller booms, position of the elevator servo, and slightly small vert and horizontal stabilizers most likely would take of this.
Posted on: 3/18/2006 12:08 PM by Author "lckstrk" in the forum "Foamies! - RC Electric Foam Aircraft"
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in for strength. I then put packing tape over it to give a clean surface for airflow. Lckstrk (luckystrike
Posted on: 3/16/2006 1:32 PM by Author "lckstrk" in the forum "Foamies! - RC Electric Foam Aircraft"
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[font="Arial"][/font][size=2][/size]To Start this is my first post...I have been following this thread since it was only a page or so long. I will have to say the original plans that were offered by foamflyer were very simple and easy to follow. This design is my 3rd try at a scratch built foamy and I will have to say my most enjoyable build and flying experience of the three. My plane follows the overall design almost exactly with the following modifications--I used a dowel in the main wing to add strength and am using two ailerons. I believe foamflyer built his with one. Instead of a speed 400 I am using a double stator cd-rom motor running on a 3s1p 1500ma electrifly li-poly. I have used both a 6x4 apc prop and a 7x4. Both props work really well and both can get the plane airborn with authority from the ground with out landing gear. The 7x4 cuts a little more grass than the 6x4 and taxes the motor a little more, so I have been sticking with the 6x4. Speed is excellent and much better than my stock stryker. I used 2" pink insulation foam for the bulk of the build and dow blue cor for control surfaces and vertical stabilizers. I think my biggest surprise was the vertical performance and speed that can be achieved while still having a very stable platform at low speeds. Thanks also for the info on hot wire designs. Wire, spring, 90 degree metal shelf bracket (x2), 1X1, and battery charger is all it takes. I already had most of it so the entire build cost less than 5 dollars. Good flying Brett
Posted on: 3/12/2006 7:58 PM by Author "lckstrk" in the forum "Foamies! - RC Electric Foam Aircraft"
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