RE: Badius Owners Club: A New Hope?
Forgot you were in Turkey, Yep the Muslim thing would put a damper on Pappy style vacations for sure! Boy there is so much stuff coming out that it is hard to keep up T28, corsair, now a mustang! if it flies like the rest it should be a winner. Since they stopped making the p-47 kit that everyone loved, maybe they will re-introduce it as the next in the series. We can hope, Right?
Posted on: 6/18/2009 10:07 AM by Author "nyflyer56" in the forum "Park Flyers & Backyard Flyers"
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RE: Badius Owners Club: A New Hope?
Lou, Be careful of what you ask for. we don't know that he wasn't at a Euro nudie bech Pappy type spot...... No telling what we might see!
Posted on: 6/17/2009 2:14 PM by Author "nyflyer56" in the forum "Park Flyers & Backyard Flyers"
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RE: Badius Owners Club: A New Hope?
Hi Tam welcome back. I hope you had a good holiday.
Posted on: 6/17/2009 9:16 AM by Author "nyflyer56" in the forum "Park Flyers & Backyard Flyers"
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RE: Badius Owners Club: A New Hope?
ConRMan, I am thinking on the S-38 that you will be doing a scratch build, altho I know I have seen them done, so there must be some plans available somewhere.
Posted on: 6/13/2009 9:24 PM by Author "nyflyer56" in the forum "Park Flyers & Backyard Flyers"
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RE: Badius Owners Club: A New Hope?
Blind Bill sounds like an amazing guy, I would love to see his work. Blindness is usually not the disability you see cabinetmakers with. Usually disability or injuries from contact with various machines. Nicknames like "two fingers Tom" or "Lefty" are far more common. My Brother is a gifted cabinetmaker, and was injured in an accident with a shaper due to a bad helper. He lost one finger and has a badly damaged second one. Still cranks out some amazing work. I am humbled when I see what he does on a Daily basis. I did have to laugh when he added an adition to his house, and subbed out the framing. As a do it myself (translation= cheap and broke) kind of guy I had to ask why he did not do the framing himself. Turns out it just seemed 'wrong" to him to nail 2 bieces of lumber together without planing them to perfection, and putting a dovetail or mortise or something on them. He also pointed out that he could pay the framers, continue his work, and still come out ahead, as his per hour was far greater than what he had to pay out. I couldn't argue with that....
Posted on: 6/8/2009 10:34 AM by Author "nyflyer56" in the forum "Park Flyers & Backyard Flyers"
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RE: Well I just read Dave's article on the new FAA proposals.
[quote]ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy nyflyer56 [quote]The AMA has had a good history of working with gov't agencies, without buying them.[/quote] were you here for the hullabaloo during the last election over who did what and knew what back with the $10000 No Receipts for getting the 72mhz from FCC ? [/quote] I am not familiar with it, but was there some question wether the candidates had anything
Posted on: 6/2/2009 1:12 AM by Author "nyflyer56" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
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RE: Well I just read Dave's article on the new FAA proposals.
There is no proof that overt lobbying by a statisticly small, and not financially powerful group such as us would change anything. It may be helpful and can still be done without sacrificing our tax status. As a platform to get votes, this is low priority compared to the other issues facing the AMA to both improve & streamline it, and attracting new modelers. The AMA has had a good history of working with gov't agencies, without buying them. Our hobby and it's technology has evolved rapidly in the last few years, and we have evolved with it, embracing the E-movement, and trying to develop a gateway to the new modelers entering the scene Via RTF and park models, many of whom would not even be here if not for those things. These are the issues that were important. Not wether we become part of the baser side of politics as usual.. We will get through this however it goes down, and I will remain unconviced that just corporate style lobbying, is what is needed or would be efective for a group like this. While a certain amount of lobbying within the confines allowed by our tax structure couldn't hurt, it will not win the day, and anything that could threaten our tax status could very much hurt the organization, and by that, modeling in general.
Posted on: 6/1/2009 6:44 PM by Author "nyflyer56" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
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RE: Well I just read Dave's article on the new FAA proposals.
[quote]ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy From some posts up thread- "very good information. according to that we could do lobbying." "That document appears to lay to rest any arguements about the AMA's inability to lobby due to legalities" Well, then waht is the current theory on AMA lobbying: a) They can lobby, but dont b) They can lobby, and do.... which would of course let us see how much spent on lobbying as a line aitem on the ole monthly finacial pages of MA magazine.... but I've looked and cant find that line item, anybody seen it or knows how much AMA spent lobbying in 05-08? If we guess that Muncie spent around $50k-$100k lobbying last year, where would that get reported to the membership? <or is it some kind of undocumented Stealth Lobby?> Should AMA lobby? Heck yeah it should. Can AMA lobby? a link on the internet says so DOES ama lobby? And if it does, isnt the SUAS ARC circus the place to be doing it? Can or Can't Muncie send a letter to all members asking for donations to fight to get the SUAS legislation to be AMA friendly? We keep hearing about big money lobbying, how much are we? $100k? $10k? $17.50 and 1/2 a ham sandwich?? If HorrizonHobby wanted to give $2mil to the AMA lobby activity against the arc limits, are we allowed we take it, or do they have to say the donation is 'for no particulat reason'? [/quote] Hobby industry money, and donations spent for lobbying are great, and AMA should look into the legalities etc, as outlined in that link. For now the best money any modeler can spend "lobbying" is to pay your dues and support the only organization that is speaking for us, on whatever level.
Posted on: 5/31/2009 11:11 AM by Author "nyflyer56" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
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RE: Badius Owners Club: A New Hope?
Tam, Sorry to hear about your friend. On this thread no apologies are needed for such a post. It is always sad when the modeling brotherhood loses one of it's own, either from illness/disability, or death. I urge any club or individual to be aware of such instances. Sometimes the greatest tribute to these folks is to keep their models flying when they cannot or are gone. Being in an area that has lost several talented modelers in the last few years I have a number of planes belonging to some great guys, and so do other club members. When one of these models appears at the field, it will always spark stories of the individual, marvel over their craftsmanship, (or lack of it in some cases), and when it takes to the air, it is like they are still flying with you. You become the caretaker of theier creation, and it is never really your plane. You, and anyone who knew the individual, will always refer to it as "Doc's Plane", or "Cecil's Fighter", etc.. Sometimes you get one that is not quite finished, and try to find the builders vision for the finished plane. I consider those ones an Honor to complete, and on the day they take flight, you just know someone is looking down smiling. This subject hits me especially today, as a fallen dear friend and modeler left behind 2 girls that I help take care of. Young Kaitlinn is quite enthusiastic, and hopes to fly her dad's old plane, and hopefully we can do it this summer in between her busy schedule. Sorry for the Kleenex moment, but Tam's post hit home on a day that the kids are here with me.... Tam , In the case of your friend, You know he feels bad about not building, but be sure to tap into his wealth of kowlege, sharing your projects, and other club members will make him feel involved, as will attending modeling events. The sounds and smells of flying, and the fellowship, are as big a part of this hobby as flying. Phil
Posted on: 5/31/2009 10:55 AM by Author "nyflyer56" in the forum "Park Flyers & Backyard Flyers"
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RE: Well I just read Dave's article on the new FAA proposals.
very good information. according to that we could do lobbying.
Posted on: 5/30/2009 1:00 PM by Author "nyflyer56" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
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RE: Well I just read Dave's article on the new FAA proposals.
Having a lobby is no guarantee of getting any more than we have now. A lobby by an organization like us that is not a large, or financially powerful will have no more impact than than the course we are taking at the moment. I am no political expert, but that just seems common sense. if someone is better educated on the process, I would like to hear the pros and cons. T.O.M. looks like we posted at the same time. I agree with much of what you say here. I do think the AMA is paying attention to the SIGS, and directing them to the right Gov't agency/areas is a good idea. Member apathy has always been a problem. Voter turnout is shamefully low. As far as shaking up the 'old boy network" I think that is one thing Dave has wanted to do. He has pushed for term limits for a while, even before his election, and it is my understanding that they have passed, so that should help to keep things evolving, and moving forward.
Posted on: 5/30/2009 12:15 PM by Author "nyflyer56" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
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RE: Badius Owners Club: A New Hope?
ZRAT, Once you get your hands on some FFF, you will love working with it. Looking at your current fleet, you definitely have some good ideas to be sure. Keep it up. Let's here some flight reports on those birds!
Posted on: 5/29/2009 10:24 PM by Author "nyflyer56" in the forum "Park Flyers & Backyard Flyers"
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RE: Well I just read Dave's article on the new FAA proposals.
I keep hearing about " Cushy Jobs" in the AMA. I would really like to know about the perks and other "Cushy" aspects of these jobs, other than representing a sport you love. Pleas enlighten all of us with some facts.
Posted on: 5/29/2009 8:40 PM by Author "nyflyer56" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
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RE: Well I just read Dave's article on the new FAA proposals.
[quote]ORIGINAL: cman_25 I have seen it mentioned several times about the Gov't approved black boxes to show how fast or high you fly, Does anyone know about what thses will cost and how will folks like me be able to afford them, if they are really a thousand or more dollars a piece and we get forced to buy them in order to stay in the hobby?????? HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [/quote] cman, That is a speculation. No one is trying to put black boxes in our planes, and if they ever did, you would probably find them at Hobby City or some other importer for about $10, or locally for $200.... Of course if you are an AMA member you will be exempt from needing one...... (sorry, couldn't help myself)
Posted on: 5/29/2009 5:26 PM by Author "nyflyer56" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
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RE: Badius Owners Club: A New Hope?
Brent, The past is the past, and I see in your posts a new and better attitude. This thread is slow right now and your experience would be helpful to the very newbies we try to help. I hope you take this newfound re-entry to both the hobby and the thread to continue to post and help those who need it, just as Tim, myself, and anyone else who posts will try to do. Good luck Phil
Posted on: 5/29/2009 11:32 AM by Author "nyflyer56" in the forum "Park Flyers & Backyard Flyers"
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RE: Well I just read Dave's article on the new FAA proposals.
[quote]ORIGINAL: Silent-AV8R As far as the ARC goes, have you forgotten that the AMA was one voice out of 25? And that it was the ONLY voice for model aviation and one of only three entities on the ARC that had any clue about models?? But I get it, you and several others are certain that the AMA has done something to harm model aviation. I think you are wrong. So are we going to spend the next year or more while the FAA promulgates their NPRM turning it over and over on this forum?? No matter what is said neither one of us will change their position on this, so it really has reached the point of absurdity to continue. [/quote] [/quote] As far as the ARC goes, have you forgotten that the AMA was one voice out of 25? And that it was the ONLY voice for model aviation and one of only three entities on the ARC that had any clue about models?? Let's not forget that the FAA changed the rules in the middle of the game to make all these voices less effective. So are we going to spend the next year or more while the FAA promulgates their NPRM turning it over and over on this forum?? No, we will spend that year or more listening to a very small but vocal (at least here) group try to slam the AMA, continue to pick at wording, and give the "would have/ should have" BS instead of actually wanting to actually solve the problem. Prople who could " sell their airplanes and move on to other hobbies" telling the diehard lifelong modelers what they should do, while sitting on the sidelines making forums such as this that should be helpful discussions degenerate into he said /she said type AMA slams, that do nothing to discuss or address the problem. Meanwhile my dues are paid, I am active in 2 clubs (one all AMA, and one not), support my clubs, fly as much as possible, and read and look for the facts, instead of the time wasting meaningless arguments. What will happen, will happen as far as FAA rules, but my bet is that despite all the negativity here, in the long run, the AMA will have done all that is possible to protect the hobby, for ALL modelers. I know, and have met people in the higher reaches of the AMA, and one thing I have seen, they are NOT there for some agenda, they are there because they truly love the hobby. The district VP's for example who travel all over almost every weekend to be at events all throughout their districts. This is a labor of love and takes their time with or away from their other activities, families etc... Thanks to all these guys for their devotion and hard work.
Posted on: 5/29/2009 11:26 AM by Author "nyflyer56" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
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RE: Well I just read Dave's article on the new FAA proposals.
speedy, Glad to see Iam not the only one that sees the trend here. long before you posted it I thought about the Python skit as well.
Posted on: 5/28/2009 10:25 PM by Author "nyflyer56" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
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RE: Well I just read Dave's article on the new FAA proposals.
[quote]ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy You talk about how asinine Tiered rules would be, yet that is what AMA has created for itself. The ARC is so blatantly cut & paste of AMA we get the silly AMA equipment bans and foolish electric junk in the ARC. You have great faith in the lobby prowess of muncie, great, let just hand a guy $10000 for some NoRecipts Fed Liaisoning, like we did with the FCC for 72mhz. Ok, that was a while back... We should make it $100k NoRecipts spend on gettng the fed to help this time. The thread has asked 'What can we do?' but the question is 'What should we have done?' AMA has told us what to do, sit & wait maybe we'll call AMA is a great organization, that is not immune to dropping the ball. It is entirely possible that they could drop the ball on something, and still be a great org. [quote] As far as Tiered organizations this has been beaten to death, and you are still wrong. In a previous post I pointed out that the PF program was a compromise to address some ssues, and open the door not only to new modelers, but to establishing flying sites in non traditional areas where they could not be before. I also pointed out that it is a CHOICE. you have the choice of what type of membership you pay for. As far as the 72 MHZ issue, They did a great job, that is why we had all the 72 mhz stuff that suffered little or no interference. they got and protected our frequencies. 2.4 changes a lot of that, but not the fact that the mission to get and secure frequencies was successful. Next " what we should have done" As they say, hindsight is 20-20. still no crystal ball at Muncie that I know of. What we do have is a new Pres. who is bright, caring, and a lifelong modeler. He is already been shaking things up within the organization, listens to members, and the result will be a better AMA. Not that I had a real problem before, but there is always room for improvement, and new ideas.
Posted on: 5/28/2009 12:27 PM by Author "nyflyer56" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
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RE: Badius Owners Club: A New Hope?
Hi Stranger! I post to try to keep this as an open gateway to continue our tradition of helping other fliers, especially new guys. The others who chose to will post, but it is up to them. This thread was being given a chance, but a false start opened old wounds and turned some of the guys off who had been willing to give it a chance. I have seen no interference lately, and our request to not give us problems about refering to the club site have been honored so far, so the door is open. we will see where it leads. Either way it is important to have a readily accessed public forum to keep the Badius tradition alive. We will see if this will be that forum. It will take some time, but we are keeping an eye on it
Posted on: 5/28/2009 11:19 AM by Author "nyflyer56" in the forum "Park Flyers & Backyard Flyers"
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RE: Well I just read Dave's article on the new FAA proposals.
[quote]ORIGINAL: abel_pranger [quote]ORIGINAL: nyflyer56 Even if this went through as written no one hs to pay AMA to fly. [u]You just have to work from tighter regs if you are non-affiliated.[/u][/quote] Yes, but AMA has taken a position against it going through as written. AMA's core position is that non-affiliated modelers should not be allowed to fly. If AMA succeeds in turning FAA
Posted on: 5/27/2009 3:37 PM by Author "nyflyer56" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
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RE: Well I just read Dave's article on the new FAA proposals.
[quote]ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy you guys want to know what to do, muncie already told ya sit wait repeat (rejoice in the fed mandating of folks to pay AMA to fly, yet act innocent in it happening) [/quote] Even if this went through as written no one hs to pay AMA to fly. You just have to work from tighter regs if you are non-affiliated. Like the park flyer ticket, you pay your Money ( or don't) and make your choices. Statements like what you have written will do nothing to help the situation.
Posted on: 5/27/2009 11:22 AM by Author "nyflyer56" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
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RE: Well I just read Dave's article on the new FAA proposals.
Puff, If I am correct, there already is an inspection system in place for any aircraft that are allowed to fly under the "over 55 pound" category. in order to get their waivers. And we did not need gov't intervention for that we do it "in House" so to speak. Has worked just fine so far.
Posted on: 5/27/2009 11:11 AM by Author "nyflyer56" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
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RE: Badius Owners Club: A New Hope?
Tam, A couple of thoughts about the elevon slowstick. You might need to increase the control surface size for enough control. My next thought revolves around how it might respond. A typical 3 channel plane has a lot of dihedral in the wing. When the rudder causes the Plane to Yaw, the dihedral causes a wing to lift on one side and the plane banks. I am not sure how the elevon would work. It should, but would it have enough effect? You could eliminate the rudder and make it a V-tail. that might work better. Only way to know for sure is to do it and see what works. Personally I am quite happy with mine, using lots of rudder throw, it does what I want just fine.
Posted on: 5/27/2009 10:52 AM by Author "nyflyer56" in the forum "Park Flyers & Backyard Flyers"
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RE: Well I just read Dave's article on the new FAA proposals.
Having followed the Park program through the early thoughts of it, I don't consider it a tiered program. You have a choice of which type of membership fits your needs. You decide unlike some of the sport pilots (Full size) who have no choice for a variety of reasons. The definition of a park plane 2/60 etc... was a compromise, but a reasonable one. It was/is a gateway to get new flyers introduced to AMA, and to develop flying sites in area's that would not have been possible before. In light of the matter at hand, it is a good thing since the park flyers are now included in the umbrella that will keep them out of the potentially tougher FAA rules if this was to go through as written.
Posted on: 5/27/2009 12:26 AM by Author "nyflyer56" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
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RE: Well I just read Dave's article on the new FAA proposals.
[quote]ORIGINAL: RTK There shouldn't be FAA rules for our hobby in the first place!! We should be able to police our own, period. [/quote] Exactly! If you look at the proposal, that is where the "community standards" comes in. The Logic is that an organized group working under an established proven rules (club/ AMA safety code) are less likely to be a problem than those operating outside the group. The group will protect itself as not to let a member screw up the good times for everyone. That is where the stricter rules for Non-Afiliated flyers is refered to. quote Kid Epoxy But theres the rub, Why would the AMA go into letter writing mode to protect what they are not losing? The gist of what is coming out of Muncie to its members is Dont worry, we will be fine when everyone else gets boned. Kid, where do you get that from? "everyone" else getting boned hurts AMA too. Why do you think they are fighting for all the modelers? yes the restrictions for Non affiliated members may be more, but only because there is no "self-policing" common sense there. If the modeling community takes a hit it hurts us all manufacturers lose part of their market, prices increase or products disappear, we all suffer then. It also makes for less incentive for new products to be developed. I have read all pages and every post here it has been painful as nails across a blackboard wading through metal props etc..... too much missing the point, not enough pulling together we all have a common interest, and rules will change with technological development. Just as there were no micro aircraft, or turbines etc... 20 years ago. they came along and safety rules etc.. were developed to integrate that technology into our use. Go develop the awesome metal prop technology, and watch the rules change to accept that. Just a few short years ago many electric flyers were shunned at club fields as "toys" and now they are a common item, drop in plug and play replacement of fuel engines. just another choice now. Protect the hobby, and worry about the technology as it hapens. if the hobby is not protected, the technology will be stifled too.
Posted on: 5/26/2009 8:25 PM by Author "nyflyer56" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
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RE: Well I just read Dave's article on the new FAA proposals.
I have just started reading through this thread, so I will comment as I go..... [quote]ORIGINAL: Tired Old Man Yes, it was all about the money but reality is that the modeling community is a drop in the financial bucket compared to what the UAV industry can provide on a continual basis. Unfortunately we've never been much in the way of an organized voice, nor have we been proactive in protecting our airspace rights (or anything else) or presenting the FAA with alternative regs intended to better fit our hobby into airspace regs. That implies a failure of our only representative organization but it also illustrates how the modeling public has for decades ignored the fact that future regulation was inevitable and our failure to act in advance of any airspace actions. [/quote] Not sure how you can say this is a failure of our representative organization. AMA has been looking at the scrutiny we could receive for some time now, long before this caction was started, and jumped right in when it did. The fact that the rules were changed mid stream to lessen the impact they could make shows a problem with the process, not the AMA. They have always been proactive with concerns. It was AMA involvement in the 90's with the FCC that got our frequency situation both expanded and protected. You are right to say that we need to increase the voice of AMA with increased memberships. This is where the folks that think AMA is just about insurance, need to take notice. I am waiting to hear from the fringe, how this is all an AMA plot to increase membership...
Posted on: 5/26/2009 5:59 PM by Author "nyflyer56" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
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RE: Badius Owners Club: A New Hope?
Tam, So glad you are backed I have mised your reports and Humor. also be sure to check in at the club site too.
Posted on: 5/26/2009 3:12 PM by Author "nyflyer56" in the forum "Park Flyers & Backyard Flyers"
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RE: Badius Owners Club: A New Hope?
Cal, did you see my post on the Club site, (the official Badius owners Flying Club site ) ? http://badiusownersclub.com HC has a 2.4 radio, 6 chanel with mixes for $30 with reciever. check it out. I may get one myself for my smaller E-planes, instead of wasting the memory space on my Futaba 9c. Plus it is 2.4 so no freq. issues.
Posted on: 5/23/2009 4:37 PM by Author "nyflyer56" in the forum "Park Flyers & Backyard Flyers"
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RE: Badius Owners Club: A New Hope?
Thank you Marc
Posted on: 4/22/2009 11:27 PM by Author "nyflyer56" in the forum "Park Flyers & Backyard Flyers"
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RE: Badius Owners Club: A New Hope?
[quote]ORIGINAL: ktaylor [quote]ORIGINAL: Teenage Pilot 14 What I need now is a beaver [X(] A really really big one...... [/quote] [X(][X(][X(][:D] [/quote] I wasn't gonna touch that one Either.....
Posted on: 4/20/2009 7:45 PM by Author "nyflyer56" in the forum "Park Flyers & Backyard Flyers"
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