RE: Help filling out IRS Form 1024 for Non Profit
[quote]ORIGINAL: tccrab I'm the Secretary of our flying club and I've volunteered to bring our club into the 21st Century. Beginning to question my sanity right about now........ It only took 5 months to get us Incorporated thanks to the backlog at out Secretary of States Office here in California. Am now working on filling out the IRS Form 1024 for our 501(c7) and don't want to re-invent the wheel. Anybody willing to share some info on a couple of deceptively simple yet extremely delicate parts of the form? ''Part II, Item 1, Activities and Operational Information''. ''Part II, Item 8, Explain how your Organization's assets will be distributed on dissolution''[/quote] Tom, For Item 1 I would list things like fun flys and RC work shops mall shows and organized contests, youth education gatherings would be a good thing if your club does anything like that. From AMA sample Item 8 use; [b]Upon dissolution, after the payment of all outstanding debts and expenses, the assets of the club will be distributed to such organizations that qualify as exempt organizations under Section 501(c) of the Internal Revenue Code[/b][color=#0000FF][/color] [quote]ORIGINAL: tccrab My guess is that we will want to keep it as simple as possible. Thanks in advance, Tom Crabtree My direct email is ''tccrab at comcast dot net'' [/quote] Hope this helps. Regards Frank
Posted on: 5/17/2013 8:29 AM by Author "phlpsfrnk" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11513974

RE: Help filling out IRS Form 1024 for Non Profit
[quote]ORIGINAL: tccrab [quote]ORIGINAL: phlpsfrnk I assume you are following the guidance provided here; http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/505-b.pdf Regards Frank [/quote] Frank: Some of the information there is quite useful with the notable exception of IRS Form 1024. You will get quite a chuckle from the help they offer on this subject. Tom [/quote] Tom, While I agree, on the face
Posted on: 5/17/2013 2:59 AM by Author "phlpsfrnk" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11513968

RE: Help filling out IRS Form 1024 for Non Profit
[quote]ORIGINAL: tccrab I'm the Secretary of our flying club and I've volunteered to bring our club into the 21st Century. Beginning to question my sanity right about now........ It only took 5 months to get us Incorporated thanks to the backlog at out Secretary of States Office here in California. Am now working on filling out the IRS Form 1024 for our 501(c7) and don't want to re-invent the wheel. Anybody willing to share some info on a couple of deceptively simple yet extremely delicate parts of the form? ''Part II, Item 1, Activities and Operational Information''. ''Part II, Item 8, Explain how your Organization's assets will be distributed on dissolution'' My guess is that we will want to keep it as simple as possible. Thanks in advance, Tom Crabtree My direct email is ''tccrab at comcast dot net'' [/quote] I assume you are following the guidance provided here; http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/505-b.pdf Regards Frank
Posted on: 5/16/2013 10:09 AM by Author "phlpsfrnk" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11513285

RE: NOTAM from Hell
[quote]ORIGINAL: DadsToysBG I think it's going to rain anyway. Dennis [/quote] Its Florida, It's always going to rain. Frank
Posted on: 9/7/2012 11:56 AM by Author "phlpsfrnk" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11220890

RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum
[quote]ORIGINAL: Arbo You are a funny man pfrank.    [/quote] It was a simple request. You provide some "point blank" supposed statement of a rule that I violated that caused the removal of one of my posts that you quoted, yet you cannot provide a link to the stated rule. Its not at the links below; http://www.modelaircraft.org/forums/fb.ashx?m=20 or here; http://www.modelaircraft.org/forums/fb.ashx?m=8332 So where is this rule that you as the moderator enforced but refuse to provide a link to? Regards Frank
Posted on: 9/7/2012 8:23 AM by Author "phlpsfrnk" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11220675

RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum
[quote]ORIGINAL: Arbo Removed because the AMA<span style=''font-family: Verdana, Arial; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(251, 252, 255); ''> President said point blank, discussion of the moderation was not a topic for the public forum, to use PM's and other methods.    [/quote] Paul, Please provide a link in the AMA forum to that statement. Regards Frank
Posted on: 9/7/2012 7:01 AM by Author "phlpsfrnk" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11220598

RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum
[quote]ORIGINAL: Arbo Oh look, two claim to have never seen a response.. you know, back to when pfrank pretty much said 'give me proof or i'm done'...     readers can judge his statement as he has continued to post [/quote] Paul, If you quote someone quote them completely. "Please note that he has never shown any factual evidence or provided examples of wrong doing on my part and I seriously doubt that he can. Until he does I’m done." There is no "or" in that statement and if you provide a complete post by me that was removed or a link or some example to back up your statements then they are baseless allegations that prove nothing and do not deserve a direct response from me. Regards Frank
Posted on: 9/7/2012 6:31 AM by Author "phlpsfrnk" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11220569

RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum
[quote]ORIGINAL: littlecrankshaf [quote]ORIGINAL: phlpsfrnk [quote]ORIGINAL: littlecrankshaf [quote]ORIGINAL: Arbo [quote]ORIGINAL: phlpsfrnk Paul, I truly feel sorry for you. Have a great life. Regards Frank [/quote] It is noted you previously in this thread asked for 'proof' of your behavior, and when it was provided, quit commenting.  Just wanted to remind you that nobody forgot
Posted on: 9/7/2012 6:14 AM by Author "phlpsfrnk" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11220556

RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum
[quote]ORIGINAL: littlecrankshaf [quote]ORIGINAL: Arbo [quote]ORIGINAL: phlpsfrnk Paul, I truly feel sorry for you. Have a great life. Regards Frank [/quote] It is noted you previously in this thread asked for 'proof' of your behavior, and when it was provided, quit commenting.  Just wanted to remind you that nobody forgot that. [/quote] What are you talking about? [/quote] crank
Posted on: 9/7/2012 2:47 AM by Author "phlpsfrnk" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11220443

RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum
[quote]ORIGINAL: Arbo The real funny part about your initial complaint about 'unwanted' or 'abusive' PM's, is what it came down to, is you didn't want PM's from those you did not like.   Whaaaa...  [/quote] Paul, I truly feel sorry for you. Have a great life. Regards Frank
Posted on: 9/6/2012 9:31 AM by Author "phlpsfrnk" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11219553

RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum
[quote]ORIGINAL: Arbo [quote]ORIGINAL: phlpsfrnk The thread topic on AMA forum help that you deleted without notice. What rules did that one break? Regards Frank [/quote] 1. The rules stated you may or may not get an explanation.  Pretty much the same as every other forum.   In your case, you no longer got explanations because your responses were always abusive. 2. You consistantly broke
Posted on: 9/6/2012 7:50 AM by Author "phlpsfrnk" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11219437

RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum
[quote]ORIGINAL: littlecrankshaf [quote]ORIGINAL: phlpsfrnk crank, [:@]He and his ilk that hate anyone that disagrees or calls them out on their actions.[8|] Regards Frank [/quote] What's kind of eerie is how Paul's posts and especially the replies are so much like Muroc's now. I am really starting to wonder if it is the real Arbo posting here. [/quote] Be very careful, he does
Posted on: 9/6/2012 6:38 AM by Author "phlpsfrnk" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11219366

RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum
[quote]ORIGINAL: Arbo [quote]ORIGINAL: phlpsfrnk crank, [:@]He and his ilk that hate anyone that disagrees or calls them out on their actions.[8|] Regards Frank [/quote] I irony of this statement, from this person, makes for a great morning belly laugh.   I hope others read and see it as well, as a great big belly laugh is a great way to start the morning. [/quote] You want irony? Remember; [b
Posted on: 9/6/2012 5:35 AM by Author "phlpsfrnk" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11219312

RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum
[quote]ORIGINAL: littlecrankshaf [quote]ORIGINAL: Arbo [quote]ORIGINAL: littlecrankshaf Dang Arbo, I thought you may have heeded the advice of one of your good friends and decided to let this thread go... I am very disappointed to see you come back in here and cast aspersions of ''haters'' again... Same song...different day! Can't you see that is the actual problem??? [/quote] I understand your see a problem that does not exist.   But stating the truth of the situtation about haters is nothing more than stating the truth.    The history of the same people putting forth the same slander is all over the net for people to see. They can not hide the history of their behavior.  [/quote] Well since you have it all figured out...[b]who's the haters and what is it they hate[/b]??? [/quote] crank, [:@]He and his ilk that hate anyone that disagrees or calls them out on their actions.[8|] Regards Frank
Posted on: 9/6/2012 2:52 AM by Author "phlpsfrnk" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11219233

RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum
[quote]ORIGINAL: littlecrankshaf [quote]ORIGINAL: phlpsfrnk [quote]ORIGINAL: ctrout Guys, they are calling it a day, might as well do the same. [/quote] Who are ''they''? Regards Frank [/quote] Maybe he means ''his gang''... [/quote] Of course, what was I thinking; I should have recognized the conspiracy code speak. Regards
Posted on: 8/30/2012 10:14 AM by Author "phlpsfrnk" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11211636

RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum
[quote]ORIGINAL: ctrout Guys, they are calling it a day, might as well do the same. [/quote] Who are "they"? Regards Frank
Posted on: 8/30/2012 8:59 AM by Author "phlpsfrnk" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11211559

RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum
[quote]ORIGINAL: JUGFLIER [quote]What was presented to the EC just doesn’t add up. Regards Frank [/quote] And that suprises you? [/quote] Not really, just wondering if anyone else noticed. Regards Frank
Posted on: 8/30/2012 3:53 AM by Author "phlpsfrnk" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11211285

RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum
[quote]ORIGINAL: bradpaul  Good, Bad, Don't care?   In any case this is from the minutes of the AMA July EC meeting: [quote] AMA On-line Forum The ED reported the forum was created some time in 2009. It has almost 2700 members and out of that, 2350 have made one post or less; and 90% of those posts come from 10 members. The proposal is to close the AMA forum; it is believed this can be done now because the blog system is now up and running. The blog system is a quicker way to get better information to our members; and eliminates the potential for conversations to get dragged off track.  HQ continues to refine the ticket system (Ask AMA) where someone can ask a question and get an answer within 48 hours by a staff person; and creating the knowledge base mentioned earlier that will supplement the Ask AMA system on-line.  [/quote] Brad [/quote] Brad, Something has been bothering me about the numbers posted. The forum lists 2628 members and that is close enough to the almost 2700 number presented to the EC however that does not represent forum users. If I’m not mistaken that number represents the number of people that have a log-in to the official AMA Website. They do not all necessarily know that the AMA forum even exists. The link to it is not exactly a stand out feature of the main AMA Web page. “2350 have made one post or less� At first I thought this was a typo but if not it is a gross misrepresentation of the numbers. The member list shows 427 members with one post or more which leaves 2201 members that either did not post or was not aware of the forum. “90% of those posts come from 10 members.� Not sure where we should set the bar here so let me just throw out some numbers; > 10 posts = 85 > 30 posts = 44 > 50 posts = 38 > 100 posts = 25 > 500 posts = 11 > 1000 posts = 2 > 2000 posts = 1 If we average the number of post with the number of actual posters we get an average about 30 posts. Look at the numbers and we have 44 that hit the average but even that number is skewed because many of those are administrators or moderators of the forum and should we even count them as users. What was presented to the EC just doesn’t add up. Regards Frank
Posted on: 8/29/2012 11:59 AM by Author "phlpsfrnk" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11210490

RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum
[quote]ORIGINAL: TheEdge Both sides are spending an incredible amount of time finger pointing. No matter who's right and who's wrong, it's still plain to see how guilty you all are of not being responsible enough to be able to be the better person and to just pull away and move on. How much wasted time and energy must have been lost that cannot be reclaimed. Is it really that much a of a priority in your lives? [/quote] TheEdge, You are correct; I have reread my posts here and believe I have been reasonable, factual and civil in my responses and requests. The best I’ve gotten in return has been sarcasm and ridicule which is SOP when he has ever dealt with me. Here's an example of a thread that he participated in, moderated and made off topic posts and again locked without reason given; http://www.modelaircraft.org/forums/tm.aspx?m=14066 Please note that he has never shown any factual evidence or provided examples of wrong doing on my part and I seriously doubt that he can. Until he does I’m done. Regards Frank
Posted on: 8/28/2012 10:21 AM by Author "phlpsfrnk" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11209123

RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum
[quote]ORIGINAL: Arbo [quote]ORIGINAL: TheEdge If this is anything like the way in which the AMA forum carried on,,then it's all very apparant. [/quote] Nope, this sort of petty bickering was not allowed there.     [/quote] TheEdge, Not much of any thing else either. If it was not 100% pro AMA or if Paul did not like it, it got axed.
Posted on: 8/28/2012 7:13 AM by Author "phlpsfrnk" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11208884

RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum
[quote]ORIGINAL: Arbo [quote]ORIGINAL: phlpsfrnk While you are at it, if you have any more of those selective screen captures that have my signature phlpsfrnk, partial or full name please do not redact them. If you are going to imply wrong doing on my part lets see some proof of it or any and all correspondance with HQ regarding my violations. If you did not understand my last post let
Posted on: 8/28/2012 6:21 AM by Author "phlpsfrnk" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11208841

RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum
[quote]ORIGINAL: Arbo [quote]ORIGINAL: phlpsfrnk While you are at it, if you have any more of those selective screen captures that have my signature phlpsfrnk, partial or full name please do not redact them. If you are going to imply wrong doing on my part lets see some proof of it or any and all correspondance with HQ regarding my violations. If you did not understand my last post let
Posted on: 8/28/2012 5:50 AM by Author "phlpsfrnk" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11208812

RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum
[quote]ORIGINAL: Arbo [quote]ORIGINAL: phlpsfrnk You have my permission to post any and all posts that you think I reported ''inappropriately'' or was ''blatent abuse'' of the system. In fact I insist. Regards Frank [/quote] let me get right on that. [/quote... phlpsfrnk, partial or full name please do not redact them. If you are going to imply wrong doing
Posted on: 8/28/2012 3:17 AM by Author "phlpsfrnk" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11208689

RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum
[quote]ORIGINAL: Arbo [quote]ORIGINAL: littlecrankshaf In this very string is a perfect example of the problem... Its perfectly fine and acceptable to name the people that were reported [b]inappropriately[/b] for violations that weren't violations but withhold who was doing the [b]inappropriate[/b] reporting... Can't anyone see how unfair that is? Why is that accepted? The answer to that question will give you an insight that is bust-proof. [/quote] Within the limits of the forum rules here on RCU, it seems that it is ok to name people that did not do wrong, but naming those that 'went after them' would be calling them out, and most often, would be found to be a 'personal attack'.     There's nothing to it other than that. FWIW, I have never seen ctrout do any 'inappropriate' reporting.   Genenerally if he reporting something it was a violation, and if it wasn't it was just due to misinterpretation of a post.    Never saw any of the [b]blatent abuse [/b]of reporting from him [b]as I did from some others[/b].  [/quote] You have my permission to post any and all posts that you think I reported "inappropriately" or was "blatent abuse" of the system. In fact I insist. Regards Frank
Posted on: 8/27/2012 11:00 AM by Author "phlpsfrnk" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11207818

RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum
[quote]ORIGINAL: Arbo Nevermind, I see it is in a thread titled ''Out of Control''.   That thread is in the leader member section.   The only people with the power to moderate that section are admins (meaning AMA employees with that access).   No volunteer moderators can do anything in that forum. But that has been explained in the past.      So raise your complaints to the admins.  [/quote] Paul, I'll just have to take your word for that but I do find it strange that if true, why were you the only one that closed abuse tickets and locked threads with a final post in that forum? Don't bother answering; time and time again you have proven you are not capable of civil discourse with anyone that disagrees with you which is why I personally don't think you should have been given the responsibility of judging others. Regards Frank
Posted on: 8/27/2012 9:25 AM by Author "phlpsfrnk" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11207674

RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum
[quote]ORIGINAL: Arbo [quote]ORIGINAL: littlecrankshaf Great proof of the double standards allowed there. No doubt about it, makes everything Arbo said here suspect. His credibility is none existent in my eyes. [/quote] First we get attacks, then we get 'i agree and like you', then more attacks.    No double standards at all.   Some users report posts non-stop.  Their history is reporting anything they do not like, and 99% of the time it is not a rules violation.    When they are known for such actions, perhaps it is harsh, but their complaints get igored or removed without reading them.   Think of the story of the little boy who cried wolf.    In this case, the person that has cried wolf hundreds of times is pfrank.  He shouldn't be surprised if it is ignored.    I'd bet the admins and EC do the same when he contact them.   For the same reason.  [/quote] Remember this; "BTW........ I see Frank P is back and quickly becoming a PITA. It looks like he has made complaining about the moderation here his new life focus." You did not think that was a personal attack either. No double standard leaving that stand. Frank
Posted on: 8/27/2012 8:26 AM by Author "phlpsfrnk" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11207606

RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum
by the moderator that wrote the post; From AMA Discussions noreply@modelaircraft.orghide To PHLPSFRNK PHLPSFRNK@ Ticket closed by Arbo at Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:20 PM A report ticket for message
Posted on: 8/27/2012 3:08 AM by Author "phlpsfrnk" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11207298

RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum
[quote]ORIGINAL: Arbo [quote]ORIGINAL: phlpsfrnk I'm still trying to figure it out, must be that syntax thing again, was he talking about his response here or my response to his response there? Can we get there from here?[8|] Regards Frank [/quote] The same attack over and over.   [/quote] Same misunderstanding of a post not even addressed to you. Frank
Posted on: 8/24/2012 11:10 AM by Author "phlpsfrnk" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11204607

RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum
[quote]ORIGINAL: littlecrankshaf [quote]ORIGINAL: Arbo   Were you the one that always talked about having messages erased about the safety code or was that FHHubber?     [/quote] That just kills me LOL... Man what a thread...we have a moderator from another AMA forum site lamenting how the moderation here is lax... all the while making a case to explain his actions [b]there[/b]... gets moderated [b]here[/b]... for breaking forum rules... and shows us over and over again he had no idea about what he wads doing there... Can't even keep ten people straight in his mind [b]or[/b] was simply making a veiled personal attack... either way, seems pretty dang moronic to me... You be the judge! [/quote] crank, I could not get past his first sentence in that post. [quote]ORIGINAL: Arbo This response really has nothing to do with what you responded to. [/quote] I'm still trying to figure it out, must be that syntax thing again, was he talking about his response here or my response to his response there? Can we get there from here?[8|] Regards Frank
Posted on: 8/24/2012 10:06 AM by Author "phlpsfrnk" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11204549

RE: AMA to close the AMA Discussions Forum
[quote]ORIGINAL: bradpaul WHICH IS WORSE? 1. It was all the fault of the moderator and the AMA did nothing about it? 2. The AMA EC and staff knew what was going on and ignored the problem Can an organization that cannot even effectively manage and run a online forum be an effective and competent CBO in the new reality of government overview via the FAA? [/quote] Brad, From the outside looking in I pretty much agree with your assessment. The “WHICH IS WORSE?� is troubling because there is no right answer; a failure is a failure period. As for the CBO/FAA question I certainly hope that is managed better than the forum was. There was some good discussions and straight information, especially in the insurance sub-forum that Ilona participated in that I would hate to see disappear. I would hope that after a cooling off period the EC would reconsider a new forum with some better management guidelines and/or format taking into consideration lessons learned from the failed one. Just a thought. Regards Frank
Posted on: 8/24/2012 8:09 AM by Author "phlpsfrnk" in the forum "AMA Discussions"
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11204440