RE: AMR 33% Waco YMF-5 Build
Anthony I used almost the same method that you did. Only difference is I was using color fab from Jerry Nelson and I took the backing of the covering and slid it under the string then using a really small irons. Going down both sides at a time. I did one string at a time. Not moving on until it was really around the sides of the string. i placed a small dowel two string away from were I was working moving it each time. Also found a really sharp paper cutting board did the trick (wife works for the School system) Oh what fun it was. TR Brotherhood # 69
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RE: AMR 33% Waco YMF-5 Build
Hey Bill Have just the trailer you need.. Custom designed, Professionally Made for the 40% AMR WACO.. Here it is with My 33 in it. I weights less then six hundred pounds. Any reasonable offer will be Accepted TR Brotherhood # 69
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RE: AMR 33% Waco YMF-5 Build
Jim I changed the stabs from +2.56 to + 3.25. Added over 2lbs of weight up front and moved everything forward. It fly's today with dead nuts elevators. With your new plane to be safe I would add about 3 pounds of lead just behind the engine (temp). Have the CG Three inches in front of the rear spar. Then take weight out after you go inverted to see how it flies upside down. Without the weight my plane still climbs slightly while inverted. TR Brotherhood #69
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RE: AMR 33% Waco YMF-5 Build
Jim Be real careful with the CG. enclosed factory drawings show it more than an Inch in front of the rear spar. I also agree with Mitch that the rear stab is off by at least 3/8". Take off will not be fun if you are off. Lots of quick down trim if thing are off. Have someone close that can add down trim quickly just in case. Mine took twenty eight clicks of down trim to get it into level flight. Make sure you have the ability to add that much down on the first flight. TR Brotherhood # 69
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RE: AMR 33% Waco YMF-5 Build
Bob Have you taken any Temps on the engine right after a good flight. Is the engine over heating. I found that my setup overheated the engine. TR
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RE: AMR 33% Waco YMF-5 Build
Ok guys it is over 5 years old. Many, Many, flights. Made every mistake one could make in both landings and take offs. A fun plane to fly TR Brotherhood # 69
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RE: AMR 33% Waco YMF-5 Build
Anthony Your family will be in our payers Just always remember "he works in Mysterious ways" LOU and TRlamb Brotherhood # 69
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RE: AMR 33% Waco YMF-5 Build
"N" strut stuff tr Brotherhood #69 I have an envelope with many templates. don't remember which I used and which are good. these are from 3 builds. I used aluminum the first time and stainless the second and back to aluminum. did not like the stainless. One of the photos shows jerry nelson's aluminum push rod material. I tapped it for 4.40 counter sunk screws. Liked it the best Laser cut!!!!! every part is hand made with many failures. Lots of throw-aways Correction!!!! the drawing and some of the pictures are Dany's work after seeing mine first set. And the drawing that were to go in the kit upgrades. Bob Gonzales did the best job. He Made his look like the full scale that were welded on. by using JB weld. Best set I have seen.
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RE: WACO YMF
Hi all For those who are building the latest 33 AMR kit here is a modification to get the kit closer to Scale. I took the landing gear to my welder and had him cut the bottom of the gear to try to mimick the full scale look. What I was after is to increase the foot so a fairing cover would fit. enclosed are some pictures using the Peter Barth fairing and modifying if just a little. TR WACO Brotherhood # 69
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RE: AMR 33% Waco YMF-5 Build
Bob Does this help TR
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RE: WACO YMF
Bill The drawing only show the part number. tr Brotherhood # 69
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RE: WACO YMF
Brotherhood members I need help. I am trying to redesign the basic landing gear for the AMR 33 WACO kit. Can anyone out there tell me what would be the diameter of the landing gear center struts for a 33%? I want to start with a thick wall aluminum tube and then sand off two sides so we can flatten it into the proper scale oval. Thank you in advance TRlamb Brotherhood # 69
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RE: AMR 33% Waco YMF-5 Build
fun Way back five Years ago when I built My Genesis I used Jerry Nelsons covering and did not put any paint on it. That was my way to try to save weight. Now this is the old kit and all you guys have had the pleasure to build the Newest kit . Someday. Also take a look at the Fed X plane crash today. Thats what I did on my second flight. Came in to slow without enough power and not enough speed. Hard lesson. Now the fed ex plane might have had other stuff. But It is what my flight looked like. Broke lots of things. That is when I sought out a full scale pilot. He said come in with power. I found 3 clicks of throttle up did the trick. So now My nick name at the field is three clicks. They don't call my TR but its Hay 3 clicks.!!!!!!! when I bring the waco to the field to fly. TR WB # 69
Posted on: 3/23/2009 11:16 AM by Author "trlambsr" in the forum "RC Scale Aircraft"
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RE: AMR 33% Waco YMF-5 Build
Lonnie In the main design the kit was going to get the radial and because you engine is lighter there will need to be weight in the nose. So the weight of the box and anything else in the nose will probably be good. Having not built the new kit but was in on some of its design. Nine o Nine is in a better place to advise you on this. But I think he has the radial. So weight in the nose is going to be an issue. Also If you read his entry. One of his big secrets is he saved a lot of weight with his covering and finish. Almost everyone else puts many coats of sealer and paint on there planes. And that can put 3 more pounds on a plane. i think that is the big lesson to learn here. tr WB #69
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RE: AMR 33% Waco YMF-5 Build
More The problem as I see it with the Genesis/AMR kit is NO give in the landing gear. The lack of its ability to take and disperse the shock of landing can cause the plane to bounce back into the air. If the plane does not have sufficient power and air speed during landing it can cause lots of trouble. I find the AMR/Genesis Waco lands like no other airplane that I have flown in my many years of flying. It took talking to a full scale Waco pilot to learn its tendencies at landing. I believe I have over 500 landing if not more on mine. I built it 5 years ago and it is still flying . The next problem is the finish weight of the plane. My experience is a scale AMR plane can not be built at less than 55lbs without a serious diet during the build. I have had fun and real pleasure building four of them. The engine box if I recall was almost 3 lbs in Maple. When I was grounded for weight five years ago.it was the first thing I found that could be easily changed. I hope I am not Bloviating. tr wb # 69
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RE: AMR 33% Waco YMF-5 Build
Anthony I am sorry my plane is in the trailer in the garage. can't get to it until it goes out in the Spring. It is still hibernating. Here are my thoughts. This airplane has a close coupled landing gear. I did what you want to do and did not like the have to hold the Rudder all the way down the runway. The 150 and 157 Have lots of torque. The plane with no off sets will pull heavy to the left. If you miss, it will start to Jag and wing tips will hit the ground. I like to poor on the coals and gain speed all the way down the runway. Also in the begining I had overheating problems with my Da 150 so to get air out I moved the Cowl to and additional 1/2 inch clearance from the doughnut. to allow more air to escape. Make sure the stand off are at least 1/2 or more like 3/4" in dia. Again lots of torque when you poor the coals to the engine. Now my plane is an every day flyer not to scale. so the cowl distance did not matter. Just remember the 1/3 rule for air. When it time to fly this bird we need to talk about it. The WACO YMF is tricky to land. It must be flown to the ground. No three point landings unless you willing to pay for another landing gear. Ask me I went to 2 learning to land it. Frank Knoll did not listen to me and had a hell of a time learning to land Bobs plane. The other thing is don't trust the Incidence on the stabs. Check it It must be 3 degrees + or adjustable. tr brotherhood #69 PS Michel could give you that.
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RE: AMR 33% Waco YMF-5 Build
Anthony The rule is 200 ft from any other human being. That means only one plane up and 200 ft away for the public this is why I just added a umbrella of 2 mil to my homeowner ins. It is just a matter of time before it happens TR
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RE: AMR 33% Waco YMF-5 Build
Ken Read the distance from anyone else that is required. If I remember correctly it is 200 feet. All the flying fields that I have been to in my 72 years on this earth do no quaiify. AMA and other insurance is going to not pay because of this. tr Brotherhood # 69
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RE: AMR 33% Waco YMF-5 Build
ok Guys Lots of thought here. by using DA and 3w's engines they are lighter then A radial. What ever you do might be changed later. Dany always used Maple to make the engine box. Lots of weight in the nose. When i did mine and the others there were weight problem when trying to stay under 55lbs. I Used custom made standoff. Made out of Iron wood. Saved over 2lbs. Most of the early kits were coming in at 61lbs. My plane was grounded for being over weight. I had to put it on a diet. That is why mine flies without wheel pants and kevlar wires. The Standoff I used are now around 5 years old and still flying. TR I have a DA 150 and it is a rocket ship. fly at 1/4 throttle
Posted on: 3/20/2009 9:33 AM by Author "trlambsr" in the forum "RC Scale Aircraft"
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RE: WACO YMF
FYI ON IMAA Advertisements tr wmb #69 For sale I have a beautiful 1/4 scale Jim Pepino WACO up for sale.....90" wingspan Includes a Q-52 for power Hitec digitals on all surfaces, i4C volt meters,...finished in coverite and painted in scale colors matching a real flying WACO....have documentation provided by the builder. See pics in my gallery.....more available just send me an email with your email address. Asking $1,600 ... You won't be disappointed. Bill Bill <bktnedad@verizon.net> Hinckley, IL USA - February 4, 2009 at 16:31.53
Posted on: 2/25/2009 8:17 PM by Author "trlambsr" in the forum "Golden Age, Vintage & Antique RC"
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RE: AMR 33% Waco YMF-5 Build
Anthony A while back maybe 4 years ago there were two new Peter Barth's 's 33 WACO's at the Joe Nall. One with the Moki and one with A DA 100. Andy Kane (Jr rep) flew both. His comment was that the one with the 100 flew great and was more like scale. The problem is the AMR kit at scale finished will come in right at 55Lbs. If you are not careful it will be in the sixties. I have a DA 150 that I got off of RCU five years ago for $950. Just could not turn down that price. It is more power then I will ever use. My Plane weighs 55lbs. I fly at 1/4 throttle most of the time. So I would look for a used DA. Just wait, and look every day. there will be many for sale as this year goes by. TR WBR #69
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RE: AMR 33% Waco YMF-5 Build
Anthony Look close at the full scale. It has a flat spot were the screws go. Look how small the hatch is. versus Bobs plane. Also remember there is a left and right. What fun it is to build models. I can't get any better then this. last picture is Peter Barths before I butchered it. Also it did not have the lip needed for the mounting screws WBH # 69
Posted on: 1/28/2009 4:42 PM by Author "trlambsr" in the forum "RC Scale Aircraft"
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RE: AMR 33% Waco YMF-5 Build
Anthony Stop ,Slow down. You are very close to solving the problem. What I would do now is reform the bottom of the landing gear to look like the full scale. then take what you have built and refit it to the new redone bottom of the landing gear. Your blank needs to fade slower to the lip where the screws go. Get the lip right first. then take it all off and form it to match the full scale. if you run out of material fill it. What you are making is a blank to lay glass over it. You are welcome to the Peter barth cuffs that I have. They are Dany's anyway. He sent them to me when I was doing Bobs plane. Bob's set got here first. Stay the course that you are on. You are about to solve a major problem with this kit. You almost have it . Don't give up. It will help others who come behind us. TR Call me if you want. Brotherhood # 69
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RE: AMR 33% Waco YMF-5 Build
Anthony Looks good. I would take the blanks off the landing gear and shape them to match the full scale then lay glass fiber and resin over your blank. I would cover the whole in the center and cut it out later. I tried to send you an email to tell you I have a set of Peter Barth's covers. They are way to small. I had to modify them for Bobs plane. If anyone wants them there here. If I were you I would continue with what you are doing. You should end up with a better cover. It is a shame you do not have some molding release to cover the blank. I have used Pam spray on a smooth surface and It almost worked. Most came off. Also if you look at Bobs plane the hatch door was to large. Look back at Post # 349 and you will see the Peter Barth covers. So keep going like you are. tr WBH # 69
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RE: AMR 33% Waco YMF-5 Build
Bob Be real careful with these tires. I went throught 2 sets of them in the beginning. The last flight before changing them, a tire came off the rim and jammed causing the landing gear to be torn off. They are not strong enough for this plane. The tires that AMR now have are much better and worth the cost. I did a lot of research into tires for this model and helped them find the current sources for the tires. The only pitfall to there tires is the tread that is being used. Not quite scale. But I have been told that some builders have frozen them and turned the tread off to smooth on a lathe. Also If you go to Kenda there K301 tire could replace the tire using the AMR rim and Tube and it is closer with the rib tread. TR bortherhood # 69
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RE: AMR 33% Waco YMF-5 Build
Hi all The problem is, all this causes the problems at the wing tip. When the leading edge of the AMR gets to the wing tip it is in the wrong location and causes all kinds of havoc when trying to correct the wing tip. I believe like others that maybe the wing tip should be laminated rather the one piece and balsa blocks from the kit. Because of were it starts and how it flows upward from the 4th rib to the wingtip. I don't see any other way to get the gentle curve that the full scale has. As the Master Chief said. It has to agree with the 3 view. Enclosed This is enough on the wing tips for now TR Brotherhood # 69
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RE: AMR 33% Waco YMF-5 Build
Lonnie and all Here is the comparison between the Pica and Amr. I believe that with some special forming of the leading edge on the Amr one could fudge it. Just shift it down to were it should be. Also when you add the last piece of wood to the leading edge increase it thickness to allow this forming. For now TR Brotherhood # 69
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RE: AMR 33% Waco YMF-5 Build
Lonnie Hi Take a look at the enclosed pictures. Look real close. Really study the trailing edge one were the ailerons are attached. Look were the taper starts. Like between the 3 and 4th rib. Also look were the Spars are and the leading edge is. I have been told that the pica section is real close. There is a problem with were the spars are but the outline is dead on. Take a look at the difference of the AmR leading edge template and the Pica. Pay close attention to where the last rib is. It is shorter the the others. It is part of the taper I am working on more and will cover this more with drawing. TR PS Most of these pictures came from John Howard and I am sure at some point he will come in with his wisdom.
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RE: AMR 33% Waco YMF-5 Build
Lonnie It will be a pleasure to help you anyway you need. Feel free to ask anything. I would start with What do you want your plane to be. If you are going to campaign it for show and want to win you will have to really do your homework. As I have said before I have build three of the Genesis kits under contract. I know this kit well. I had the privledge Of attending Top Gun in 2007 and watched the Judging of one of the planes that I had built to an ARC . I saw all the things that cost points and watched the judges very carefully. If you want to win your plane must stand out. It must have what I call Pazzazzzz. Bob Gonzalez's plane drew crowds. It stood out. He chose Red and Black for his colors and it really looked scale even though it had many things wrong. The finishes he did were first class they looked real. Not hand made. He is a master at finishes. The plane was not built for Top Gun. It was built to just fly. I convinced him to go to Top Gun because I thought it had a chance to win. Having seen Mike Barbies plane I thought Bobs was in many ways better. At that time I did not know the things that were wrong with the kit. The Genesis kit was not built for show. Now there have been many improvements in the AMR kit but there are still things that need to be Tweeked. First go get the CD on the Blue and White Plane. Study it. Get in Close and look at every part. Go look at the Full scale planes. With the brotherhood there is now resources that will answer any question you have. skylarkmk1 is a walking encyclopedia he has every picture you would ever need. Look back and read every input to the Brotherhood blog. On my next entry I will start on the wings For now TR bortherhood # 69
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RE: AMR 33% Waco YMF-5 Build
Lonnie It is not as difficult as it may seem. Anthony came close. Just get in touch with me when you are ready and I will walk you through it. tr Brotherhood # 69
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